More establishment stuff from Boss. Funny how YES has completely closed the gap according to the polls and now for the first time in this debate has a lead according to these polls and yet Salmond failed! Failed according to the Establishment, won according to the people. The good news is that the people will vote in this referrendum not the MSM or the BBC. Not that I would base a case on the polls.
Will you be at the debate tonight Spurf? If so we can play 'I wonder if that's Spurf' when the camera pans the audience! On a more serious note, being old school, I was very much in the Better Together camp but as this thread has progressed, you are, with your calm reasoning & explanations (sometimes with extreme provocation) gradually winning me over to your point of view. I think post 40 first started to sway me. At least, I understand where your coming from now. With an ambassador like you on their side how can they lose? To have their case debated on a FOOTBALL FORUM, a LONDON one at that! Pure genius...
Thanks Maggie I will be at another meeting tonight for Business for Scotland. http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/
The result will come down to, firstly the size of the vote - how many will bother to go to the polls? Secondly, the last minute undecideds. And lastly, the late mind changing ditherers who think they're going to vote one way and then change their minds when they get to the polling station.
Spurf, for a true reflection of the polls and the way the vote will go, see here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/sc...tlanddecides&intc_linkname=footer_polltracker Use the drop down menu (to the right) and move between the different groups, 30 days, 6 months and 12 months and as you can see there will only be one outcome, which is a No vote. Its a valiant effort by the yes campaign but unless there is a dramatic turn around or Darling screws up the debate (which won't happen) then the polls point to a No victory.
This is your mantra Boss, on the ground it's a different story. Most Yessers are confident of winning because their canvassing, and this is the case all over Scotland, shows a 60% vote for YES. The SUN in Scotland (of all papers) carried a two spread last week detailing how all the 'schemes' are 60% - 70% YES and many of these people have had to register to vote for the first time in their lives some in their 50's. These are the people who the polsters don't even bother to ask. So for me personally I really don't know what the result will be but nearly all of my collegues are very confident.
Again for those that are interested here is a good example of the lies of the establishment in action. Alistair Darling is interviewed on radio in Scotland and you can here that on this link. His replies are then anylised by Wings over Scotland. Darling is exposed as telling lie after lie throughout the interview. That has been the NO campaigns tactic throughout this debate. I know it's not pretty to call them liars but that is what they are and the facts can be checked as the YES campaign has done. That is why as each day goes by more and more people are changing to YES as they learn the true position and potential of Scotland. http://wingsoverscotland.com/alistair-darling-lie-bingo/#more-60491
The UK polling orgs are getting very good in their predictions. Obviously the final one matters most, but the timeline tracker is very useful for "after the fact" analysis.
It seems unfair, you have an English person trying to argue against a Scot in Glasgow and it's obvious that the audience will get behind their own. How it comes across to me is Alex Salmond saying what a mess our country is in and basically they want out of it into this idealistic new government they will create when suddenly all of the problems will disappear. So the UK gets left with all the issues but don't worry Scotland will be alright Jack. Also Salmond is also being quite clever trying to turn it into a Labour vs Conservative argument as well. I honestly think if Scotland do get independence nothing will really change. The poor will still be poor and the rich will still be rich that's just the way it is.
Darling is more then holding his own considering where the debate is taking place, a weaker man may crumble but hes taking it in his stride. Salmond is going for the cheap round of applause but Darling has just shown up Salmond on the Trident issue and is making more valid points.
The final words by Darling where ok until he said "we have no other option" that type of wording wouldn't have settled well with some scots while Salmond (smartly) went for the more passionate deliverance in front of a passionate crowd, yet there where some good points made by Scots on the Trident issue about jobs and backed up by Darling that left Salmond shaking his head (but no words coming out). Again no answers regarding the currency from Salmond, no clear cut replies on the currency if Scotland has to rethink currency plans. A real lack of clear cut answers and you can't trust a man who doesn't give clear cut answers when its a vote on independence. Moving to an independent country should be about facts, clear cut plans, not hopes, maybes and passionate speeches without any substance. Although credit to the audience who in general where fair and Darling I thought handled the debate well, even though its clear he doesn't enjoy this side of politics.
Spurf will be at one of his business meetings, chatting to some passionate leader (they tend to have a beard) and emphasising how Scotland can thrive on its own, cheers will ring out and people will be shaking hands and feeling like its their time. We await Spurfs update
I will say once again, and for the last time, Salmond is a politician. As such, he is no more trustworthy than any other politician. It's very difficult for the average Scottish voter, but they have to try and dismiss the rhetoric from both sides.
