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Rosberg-Hamilton Incident Debate

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Aug 24, 2014.

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Who's Fault?

  1. Rosberg Caused The Crash? (Should Have Backed Out?)

  2. Hamilton's Fault? (Cut Across - Lack of Awareness?)

  3. Both at fault/Incident/50:50

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  1. Di Resta is faster than u

    Di Resta is faster than u Active Member

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    Your not supposed to say that.
     
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  2. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Luck swings both ways.
     
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  3. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    But not always in equal measure.

    You need some luck to win a title. Recently, Hamilton's luck has been atrocious.
     
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  4. Di Resta is faster than u

    Di Resta is faster than u Active Member

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    Yeah about 95% Rosbergs and 5% Hamiltons way.
     
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  5. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Im not so sure. I know they probably wont do anything, but throwing another driver into the car for Monza would cost them less points than Nico has today. With the lead they have i don't think they're too concerned about Ricciardo or Red Bull.

    It's shocking to me that Rosberg has had the gall to come out and unrepentantly admit he crashed into his teammate deliberately. If they don't get a lid on it now it could end up being a Senna/Prost situation with 50 points at stake in Abu Dhabi.
     
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  6. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you agreeing with me! I also think that Nico will have to learn, just as Alonso, Lewis, Vettel et al have had to do, that when you are in contention, the media focus changes quite dramatically and that he is now under scrutiny in a way he has never been before. It may sound obvious but this must be something utterly new to him and however clever he is, it is new territory and he will need to learn from it quickly.
     
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  7. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    Talking about luck?

    Hamilton has had Australia, Canada and the two qualifying moments.
    Rosberg has had Canada, Silverstone and the SC in Hungary.

    But.. Rosberg's has been at more crucial points in the season when he's been miles ahead then suddenly loses all momentum. Maybe he's had a little bit more luck, but then look at last year, it was always Rosberg's car breaking down and he didn't act like a baby then.
     
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  8. Dalziel or no Dalziel

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    If Hamilton is to be believed, then Rosberg has admitted to not avoiding the accident, which is far less severe than deliberately causing an accident. Sounds like Nico just wanted to let Hamilton know he's not to be messed with, and the team have taken a dim view of it.

    Maybe the telemetry shows something we haven't seen, hence why Wolff was so unimpressed with Rosberg's actions?
     
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  9. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

    TheJudeanPeoplesFront Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about anybody else, but Nico made a strong right turn movement on the wheel just before impact on the onboard camera, and was clearly going too fast into that section to be anywhere near the racing line on exit. It could easily have been a understeer correction-movement, but in line with the statements coming out, it doesn't look great.

    I'll leave speculation for the twitterites though. As far as Mercedes should be concerned, deliberately not avoiding collision should be as serious as deliberately causing one, and Hamilton should be fined and seriously rebuked for coming out of the team briefing and letting the world know what was said. Mind-games will rip the team apart, they should be reigned in.

    I think it's also proven farcical this idea of relaxing the rules on "racing incidents", because these two are slugging it out for the title, and being compared to all the other two men rivalries that ended in underhanded collisions. One "incident" here has just put Lewis into firm "outsider" territory.
     
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  10. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Nico was just trying to prove himself. I'm surprised to be honest. Could this be his mental undoing rather than Lewis's? Can see Lewis's luck changing now. Very similar to Schumacher's time at Mercedes especially 2012. This incident could see Nico crumbling and a very late resurgance in performance from Lewis. - and it was all Nico's doing...
     
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  11. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

    Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat Active Member

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    Or Ricciardo takes advantage and takes the championship
     
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  12. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    That sharp right nudge from Nico is what has opened my eyes tbh. Sinister...was it preceeded by a thought of intentional harm though?
     
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  13. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    I wondered about this too. As I said above, this is totally new territory for Nico: how will he know where the boundaries are without learning from experience (the hard way)?
     
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  14. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    With double points etc. I can honestly say there is a huge chance now. It would be a fairy tale ending for the smiley lad.
     
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  15. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Maybe this is the problem, Mercedes see Ricciardo as a major threat now and are worried that Hamilton and Rosberg will be taking each other out all the time!
     
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  16. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

    TheJudeanPeoplesFront Well-Known Member

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    At first viewing I thought he corrected a couple of times, then made a more savage sharp right with his steering wheel just before impact. I'd be surprised if it was an intentional plan to wipe Lewis out, though. I think the allusion to "proving a point" and deliberately not getting out of it is more to do with him placing his car in position and not backing out of it like he should have, rather than Nico turning into a bond villain and deliberately ramming him.

    Certainly though, it raises questions about why there wasn't even an investigation. Very very poor form from the stewards.
     
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  17. Dalziel or no Dalziel

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    The fact is the drivers clearly have no respect or love for each other or the team, and are likely to ignore any attempts to calm the situation. Them taking each other out is now a realistic problem, Mercedes are going to have to start employing team orders and just hope that the drivers actually listen.
     
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  18. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

    TheJudeanPeoplesFront Well-Known Member

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    Being honest, if Ricciardo won it, he'd be thoroughly deserving and I don't think anyone would have a bad word to say about him, unlike Nico or Hamilton!
     
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  19. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    You know, after the race I turned to my younger sibling with a puzzled look. He just sighed and said "Yeah he did it on purpose". -This is coming from a neutral perspective.

    P.s. he said the same thing in Monaco Quali.
     
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  20. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    We can only speculate on what went through his mind at that moment but, retroactively at least, it does seem Nico is trying to front it out, even if, at this moment, it appears to be a misguided move. Nevertheless, whatever his motive, the WDC is closer for him now.
     
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