The analogies people are using to argue either side of the alcoholism argument are quite frankly ****. The cancer comparison the gay comparison c'mon debate alcoholism but don't muddy the argument with pointless diversions to make a point. I find alcoholism a selfish act and when it's someone in the public eye trying to sell their story , the amount of self pity and self loathing is staggering , it is a mental condition where alcoholism is the symptom but they want an easy fix .
No. Being gay is just natural to some people, that's life. My original point was that you can't demand someone get better, just like you can't demand someone change their sexuality. Actually, you can, it's just extremely unreasonable. When did I, moron?
What are you saying, that people who suffer from self-inflicted illnesses are selfish? Melanoma can be caused by too much sunbathing, lung cancer can be caused by excessive smoking. Are these people committing a selfish act?
again thats going completely off the point.. cancer can or can't happen to people from any walk of life.. why compare that to alcoholism? and yes, i'm sorry about the previous comment.. ignore it.. i have depression/anxiety and anger issues.. but i couldn't dream of half the chances gazza has.. i'm made so many mistakes... i just can't find sympathy tbf
You have my sympathy, because I too have suffered from depression and OCD. Cancer can happen to anyone from all walks of life, but so can depression and alcoholism. This prioritising over illnesses by the NHS and people in general is quite saddening really, a cancer patient deserves to be treated just as much as a person with depression.
im not trying to say bad things about gazza, but he's had so much help, i honestly believe some people just can't be helped.. he needs away from any public eye, he needs someone who doesn't care for his name.. but there's so many people who leech of famous people.. i just think he's past conventional help.. it's not an illness where you can see progress interms of their health.. too many have taken advantage of a weakened man, his family really need to take him away from it all
In all honesty, I find this the most nauseating & disturbing thread I’ve ever read on this forum. A fair number of the posters clearly have no compassion for their fellow man at all. I doubt they even recognize that fact that there might be a slim chance that they may be affected themselves (directly or indirectly) someday. Heaven help their families (especially their children) or friends , if any of them are ever afflicted with any of the symptoms or characteristics of such misunderstood illnesses. Seems to me that support would not be forthcoming. The perplexing thing, and saddest aspect of all is that these relatively common, but little understood diseases can effect anyone. Regardless of wealth or fame. Mind boggling.
You're missing the point, like others, completely. Nobody has compared alcoholism with cancer. I don't think you understand alcoholism. People have pointed out that Depression, OCD, Bipolar, Bulimia & Cancer are all illnesses. They are not comparing one with another, merely suggesting that sufferers of all should be treated with the same respect. People are finding it hard to grasp that PG's alcoholism is part of his illness. People have inferred that PG makes the choice to suffer with Bipolar & Bulimia, that he chooses when to be affected by depression & that he is in the right state of mind when making the choice to drink. Depression, Bulimia & Bipolar require both help & treatment. If there is a relapse in his illness then he'll require further treatment & help, as would others unfortunate enough to be suffering from other illnesses. To suggest he's had even one chance is wrong. It's not chances he requires, it's treatment & lifetime care, the same treatment & care as others would have if suffering from other illnesses. Fez was right when he said he is a clinical case. He is, as are Cancer patients, MS patients, AIDS patients, Hepatitis patients, Anorexic patients etc etc etc Would you deny any of these patients lifetime care & treatment because their condition relapses or deteriorates? Would you ask why a cancer patient was cancerous? Would you suggest they were being selfish if there was tumour regrowth after a period of remission? If not, why would you be prepared to discriminate against a Depression patient, Bipolar patient, OCD patient, or a Bulimia patient? Each should be treated & respected equally, none are choosing to be ill.
He can be helped though, the last part of your post is one way of doing it. I don't think he's had that much help really, the fact people keep taking advantage of him when he really needs support is a testimony to this. You can't rely on the affected alone to beat depression, they need the support of others.
i can testament to that, i do crazy stuff, when you feel alone, you literally feel like the only person on the earth, but what can help gazza? he seems to be getting worse, what's his family doing? i just dont think he will be saved, like i said, i'd be brilliant for him
And some people don't survive cancer, but it's NEVER their fault. If he can't be saved then it's the people 'treating' him that have failed, not him.
why can't someone be blamed? alcoholism is different to depression.. it's a choice.. and trust me that's a fact.. but dont ****ing compare gazza to someone who has died from cancer
The fact that you think certain illnesses are more important than others disgusts me. Alcoholism is part of his illness, and he doesn't choose to be depressed. Goodnight.
mate gazza? if you're comparing him to cancer patients **** off... he's had the ****ing optimum help.. he's a ****ing alcoholic who won't accept any help.. he's had the chances other people couldn't dream off.. but people with cancer.. they only get one chance.. don't ****ing compare.. when gazza gets a liver transplant and keeps ****ing up.. will you feel the same? i'm sorry but you can't just blame this on his mental illness.. i speak from ****ing the shared ideal.. but sometimes you have to ****ing accept.. people won't accept help... he's had beyond the average nhs help.. **** him imho.. you only care because he was once a good footballer.. if he was some random guy, you wouldn't give a **** there i'm a ****.. i don't GIVE A SINGLE **** about him. but comparing him to cancer patients is a completely ****ing low blow mate..
If a person refuses treatment for cancer why aren't they lambasted like someone who refuses treatment for a mental illness? As I've alluded to in the past on this type of threads I've have indirectly affected by mental illness. I'm really passionate about mental illness. My mum has suffered bouts of depression and anxiety since I as about 10(I'm 26). Ranging from three months to over a year. In these bouts of illness she is almost bedridden and literally can't do anything. Over years she has some pretty horrific things to herself. Including countless over doses on various medication, supping off bottles of vodka in one go, cutting herself and pouring terps over her head and setting herself on fire right in front of me. She has been in a bout since last October and is refusing to see me, the last time I saw her was end of March. My step dad dropped her off at work last October and she just went missing for 4 days. We had no idea where she went or anything. This isn't illness celebrities get when they can't cope with fame. Every day normal people are suffering.
