We've got our own thought police watch out. Taff: The answer re the pics is that of course I wouldn't be happy because that's personal to me and is a direct invasion of my family's privacy. It's proof that the guy would have been spying on my family and that has a direct effect on them and me. Nothing to do with keeping his beliefs to himself. Re the "perverted comments" he'd written down, well it depends whether what he wrote came out of the initial invasion of privacy. If he was just fantasising then I'd consider that sad more than annoying. In a truly free society anyone should be able to write anything about anyone imo provided it's not disseminated to the public. I've seen some comments on here that are offensive and hurtful but I wouldn't want anyone arrested over them. I understand why you've raised those examples but the scenarios you describe aren't really like the Malky case at all.
Just some thoughts.........he didn't just write them down though.....he sent them to some one else. He also accepted without demurring similar thoughts from someone else. it seems to me that this is symptomatic of an unacceptable approach to the issues of racism, sexism and the other 'ism'. In the industry in which he works, this approach is unacceptable and also in the society in which he lives. There was no invasion of privacy or at least said invasion was court approved. As a result, these messages have come out. As I understand it, these messages were known about in March or so and then McKay and Moody were informed about their discovery. They failed to inform the authorities as mandated and Cardiff instructed the lawyer who found the stuff to inform the FA. A report was requested and that has gone to the FA. How CP got informed is not clear but all this had happened before Pulis left Palace. Being honest, one would have to recognise that even if Tan/CCFC had said nothing, this issue would eventually have come out and Palace would have had no option but to sack McKay, had he been appointed. In such circumstances, CP chairman might have had every right to have been a bit pissed off with CCFC for not being forthcoming with information sooner.
Some fair points frankie. But: "he didn't just write them down though.....he sent them to some one else" Privately to a friend. It's not as if he was making these comments in a newspaper column. "this approach is unacceptable and also in the society in which he lives" For 'approach' read 'belief', and that's my point. People are being vilified not for what they do or say publicly but for their beliefs. My question is this: Has Malky ever had a complaint made against him for being racist or discriminating against anyone, either in his private life or in football? If so then he deserves all he gets because that has an impact on other peoples' lives and should be deplored. Otherwise we're dealing with a witch hunt. Hope you get the point - let's leave it at that.
If I sent "private" homophobic/sexist/racist comments on my works phone/computer I'd be sacked. It's as simple as that. However, we have a warning to that effect when logging on, so it could all boil down to Kairdiff City's internal IT policy and whether Moody and Malky were made aware of it. As for the transfers etc, unless there has been fraud, I assume Tan/The Board would have to take responsibility because they delegated power to those that made the transfers.
Dragon, we could debate this subject for a very long time.......and a very interesting one it could be. But it gets further and further from football. May another day while sitting in the pub!
Dragon, I think Frankfurter and PGF have covered the points you raised about invasion of privacy. The scenario may not be the same but the impact is just as damaging to all concerned. I would be extremely angry if someone made racist comments about my kids and grandkids in an email. I don't agree with spying and the emails, I suspect, were sent from a Cardiff City email account as I do not think any judge would allow them to sieze computer equipment, based on hearsay, especially if it was on a personal email account.
Sounds like they went after evidence that might indicate financial misdeeds and came across the casual racism, misogyny, anti-semitism and homophobic comments. I don't want a witch hunt but it's not going to go away for Malky.
Matt, No, I was merely trying to get across that Dragon may have a different opinion if he found out about something being written about his family. In hindsight a very poor comparison but I have seen Dragon has acknowledged it as an example and responded accordingly.
I will ask this and in no way am i dfending mckay, has anyone on here ever been told or told a possible racist, homophobic or sexist joke in work, I would imagine quite a lot of you. How many of you actually reported it to someone. Can i get in the **** for making such comments to my wife in private or to my friends when watching the football or rugby at home. It does beg the question where does things said in private become public interest or criminal.
Also, isn't it an invasion of privacy getting a hold of someone's emails, text messages and telephone conversations?
Trundles, I believe it may well be MM and Moody used their CCFC email account. Therefore, the email account and content belongs to the CCFC. I can say I have, in the dim and distant past, made a racist jock and a sexist joke. We have probably all done the Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman jokes and I am sure we have all done a blonde woman joke. Both racist and sexist. It appears MM and Moody made comments about individuals in their profession. In the past Ron Atkinson made an ill-advised statement about some black guys and lost his job. Richard Keys and Andy Gray lost their jobs over sexist comments made off air.
Not if the email account is their work account. I suspect text messages would also fall into the same category as email. Not sure if anyone hacked their phones.
The Malaysian witchhunt will hurt the Malaysian a lot more the M & M... in my opinion , very begrudging is Tan the Man ... good thing he's got money to payf for these type of events
Taff I havent heard the nuts and guts of this, but I thought it was private text messages. So when in work you have heard the sexist or other Ist jokes, did you report it. Not having a go nd I know it is not right but these comments and jokes are made everyday in the workplace on every level. What he said was wrong, But as the great wrinkley one (Rednapp) has said today. Show me a person who hasnt done something similar or made a mistake and i will show you a liar. Its strange isnt it. we are slaughtering him for what he has done and he should be dealt with by possibly the FA, many people are saying he sholudnt work again in football. Yet people like Lee Hughes, Lee Mckormick, Marlon King and there a lot of others wh have done an awful lot worse we are happy to have in football, makes no sense to me. When Ched Evans is released and signs for a club, their fans will be singing his name when he scores the winner in a game, yet he is a convicted rapist.
This is the bit that puzzles me - how they got hold of the text messages. Was MM using a phone/sim supplied by CCFC that he returned when he left?
And if the email account used a password, then this will get a lot uglier before it's better. A very complicated situation is brewing here, so feet up and enjoy the show
It has been reported they were on job mobiles and email accounts. Moody gave permission to CFC law firm to access these. It was on his job mobile and email account that the material was found.
The Court of Appeal decided in 1998 in a Libel case that a Company internal email is a published document. That almost certainly means that CCFC own the copyright of those emails, and if the texts were written on company equipment in the course of doing their jobs, then CCFC own those too. Back in the 80s the Courts introduced a mechanism to allow for search without warning, looking for concealed assets in divorce cases. That has been extended to other forms of supposed commercial wrong doing, and I suspect that it was on that basis that 'properties were searched'. You obtain the order by presenting evidence to a Judge in Chambers, then you can go and break the doors down if necessary. The police are not involved, unless there is a punch up. If the emails were from private email accounts and sent from home, then who knows what their status would be. But if they were from private accounts how would CCFC's lawyers have got them? I get the impression that Tan has un-earthed some new information on financial impropriety, but is using the stuff on texts and emails as a rock solid cover for going to war. That is what I would do. The 'dossier' he gave Palace was probably more concerned with the financial stuff. After all, if you have someone on your team who is really good and you want to keep them, then when they mis-behave you sort it out, they apologize, grovel where appropriate and you carry on. If you already want them out, then you use it to sack them. That is what Tan did with Mackay and Moody. Would Palace really care about their manager having a bad mouth? I doubt it. Results and money, results and money.
