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Scotch Independence - the countdown

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by stopmeandslapme, Feb 5, 2014.

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

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  1. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    I want to live in Banbury :(
     
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  2. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    I've read.... watched programs....* on how the decline of charities and the rise of the state has led to less compassion from people and the rise of the kind of society we live in today. Everything is the states fault and no one takes responsibility for anything or anyone. In a society which takes care of the less fortunate, and not the faceless state who want 10p off a tax payer to spend 2p on a person who needs it... and spends the rest on the building that houses the civil servant, the civil servants salary, the civil servants final salary pension, IF society (being a volunteer(s) contribute more to charitable acts, then it costs less and benefits the beneficiary more than the state could ever provide.


    * for Mick
     
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  3. A.L.D.O 4.1

    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    You could be part of the Irish dispora <laugh>
     
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  4. A.L.D.O 4.1

    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    What bullshit.

    Do you watch children in need ? Comic relief ? Sports relief ?

    These programmes break records for donations every time they are on. Our high streets are filled to the gunnells with charity shops. It's not society or the people that has a lack of compasion . It's government who's policies have left the most vulnerable in our society reliant on charity.

    You keep banging on about the mighty GB and our wonderful economy yet you think that foodbanks are a joke. Let them eat cake eh.

    You're fulla ****e my good man.
     
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  5. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    I'm not banging on about the mighty GB. I'm banging on about the might GB's welfare state which grows nearly year on year, but still doesn't seem to satisfy the appetite of the welfare junkies.

    My thoughts on social cohesion and involvements come to more than foodbanks. I'm thinking more along the lines of people helping themselves than relying on the state. The taxation and benefit system is a shambles partly because it's so complicated and partly because there is a rape culture there. If people did more for themselves, then they'd get fitter, live longer and be less of a burden on the State, it's win/win.

    I'm pressed for time so that probably doesn't read well but you're a spastic.
     
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  6. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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    let the poor die off.

    natural selection
     
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  7. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    ^^^ Banbury Cross ^^^
     
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  8. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    Foodbanks getting their usual airing from the Lefty Loonies <laugh>
     
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  9. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    Chris Foodbanks
     
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  10. Mick

    Mick Probably won't answer PMs
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    I don't believe in food banks - some **** made them up.
     
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  11. Bib Fortuna's Maw

    Bib Fortuna's Maw Well-Known Member

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    I've just been in the weirdest meeting with some BT London executive B2B guys trying to sell us a telephony suite.

    The questions they brought up about independence were quite interesting (financial governing bodies etc)

    Anyway, compassion as related to welfare

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-wealth-reduces-compassion/

    ...and American public spending trends as % of GDP

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html

    Bearing in mind that they have the largest military spending in the world - Federal spending is 20% of GDP - the other 10-20% over the years relates to local spending.

    Federal spending (half of the total) is 19% Military Spending (not including their 17% "non direct defence" spending (arming other countries, subsidising arms manufacturers etc).

    The recent spikes in federal spending are attempts to compensate interested parties in the Medicare/Obamacare stuff which, given its ultra-private health history, is amongst the most overpriced on the planet.
     
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  12. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-hearts-probe-yes-flags-1-3513547
     
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  13. Null

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    I've searched ... Oh God how I've searched!
     
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  14. Mick O'Toon

    Mick O'Toon Well-Known Member

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    Expect an urgent appeal for new "stock" very soon.

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  16. Null

    Null Well-Known Member
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    Then 15 minutes later...

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  17. Mick O'Toon

    Mick O'Toon Well-Known Member

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  18. Mick

    Mick Probably won't answer PMs
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    Interesting, the stat I had to hand was that in 2011 US state spending was 41% - I'd assumed it would have went up due to the raising of the debt ceiling and Obamacare. When you compare it to Norway spending 44% of GDP you can only think that their citizens are getting a ****e deal for their money (although to be fair Norway's per capita income is much higher, so there's more wealth to milk).
     
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  19. Bib Fortuna's Maw

    Bib Fortuna's Maw Well-Known Member

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    It was.

    And there public spending is forecast to go up (like, scarily up) mainly due to Medicare (highlighting the benefit we have of an NHS).

    Check this

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    The thing is that, proportionally, Norway doesn't spend a fortune on its military or on international ventures to secure its private interests (as far as I know).

    America will totally trim its public spending over the next few years - it has to.

    I think they should spend less on "defense" but I suspect they wont.
     
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  20. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    The difference between Norway and the UK.

    They set up an oil fund. Our government (whether Tory or Labour) didn't. An independent Scotland will set up an oil fund.
     
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