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  1. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    I frequently notice typos in mine immediately after posting...

    What, with Gerrez and RHC being bloody pedants <whistle>- I go back and fix them it doesn't say I edited them.
     
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  2. Germlands Nozzer

    Germlands Nozzer Well-Known Member

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    This.
     
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  3. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Testing.

    I shall immediately add a bunch of copied text to this from a wiki article. If it says it hasn't been edited then it is time based not content based.

    The English army landed at Saint-Vaast-la-Hougue south east of Cherbourg on 12 July 1346, whereupon Prince Edward and several others were knighted in a nearby church at Quettehou.[5] Resistance to the landing was light, in part because a contingent of five hundred Genoese crossbowmen had withdrawn from the French forces only a few days previously due to a lack of pay.[6] After approximately six days, the English army began their march through the Cherbourg peninsula with considerable pillaging as they advanced.[7] On 26 July the English took the town of Caen; Count d'Eu and other French nobles were captured. Edward then took Lisieux; but when the English neared Rouen, they found the French had destroyed the bridges. Edward proceeded along the Seine. At Poissy, the English repaired the bridge and crossed the river.[8]

    Edward III's army left Poissy and marched north, estimates were that they covered several miles per day and met only slight resistance by the French allies of King John's army. Edward was separated from his Flemish allies by the destroyed bridges. He received word of a tidal crossing across a shallow part of the Somme. The Meauz chronicle states that the entire army crossed in one hour. The French tried but could not follow as the tide had begun to rise and were forced to retreat to Abbeville on or about 25 August.[9]

    The English army finally reached the forest of Crécy which was 4 or 5 miles (6.4 or 8.0 km) deep and 8 miles (13 km) long. They took to a small hill north of Crécy-en-Ponthieu. Just a short distance away was Wadicourt, which provided protection for their left flank. The right flank was close to an area beyond which was the River Maye. The location of the wagons and baggage carts is conjecture. The formation was described as three-dimensional. Estimates are that the English had, by this time, traveled approximately 300 miles (480 km) and rested the day before the battle. The French army did not rest, putting them at a disadvantage.[10]

    The English army was divided into three divisions. The vanguard were led by Edward, the Prince of Wales, the central division by the King of England, Edward III and the rearguard by the William de Bohun, Earl of Northampton.[9]

    Size of forces[edit]

    The size of the forces are not known exactly. Some historians[which?] have agreed on estimates of around 10,000&#8211;15,000 on the English side, of whom around 4,000-6,000 were Welsh, and 20,000&#8211;25,000 on the French side. The size and composition of the English army is considered to be more exact, since there are administrative and financial documents that recorded the organization and transportation of the army that crossed the English Channel. The much higher figures given by contemporary chroniclers such as Jean Froissart (100,000) and Richard Wynkeley (80,000) have been described by historians as quite exaggerated and "unacceptable", going by the extant war treasury records for 1340.[11]

    The English force consisted of around 2,700&#8211;2,800 men-at-arms, heavily armed and armored men that included the English King and various nobles with their retinues as well as lower-ranking knights and other contingents.[12] Accompanying them were around 11,000&#8211;12,000 other troops. The estimated composition of these varies somewhat; according to Clifford Rogers there were 2,300 Welsh spearmen, 7,000 Welsh and English foot archers and 3,250 mounted archers and hobelars (light cavalry);[13] Andrew Ayton puts his estimate at around 3,000 mounted archers and hobelars, 5,000 foot archers and an additional 3,500 other troops.[14] Jonathon Sumption believes the force was somewhat smaller, based on calculations of the carrying capacity of the transport fleet that was assembled to ferry the army to the continent. Based on this, he has put his estimate at around 7,000&#8211;10,000.[15]

    French financial records from the Crécy campaign are lost, so the estimates are less certain, although there is consensus that it was considerably larger than the English. There were around 12,000 mounted men-at-arms, several thousand Genoese crossbowmen and "large, [al]though [an] indeterminate number of common infantry".[16] Several historians have accepted the figure of 6,000 Genoese mercenary crossbowmen.[17] The figure has been questioned by Schnerb as unlikely based on estimates on the number of available crossbowmen in all of France (2,000) in 1340, only a few years previously. That the city-states of northern Italy, or Genoa on its own, could have put several thousand mercenary crossbowmen at the disposal of the French king is described by Schnerb as "doubtful".[18] The contingent of common infantry soldiers are not known with any certainty, except that it was considerable and in the thousands.[19]

    Nobles and men at arms at the battle[edit]





    Crécy village sign
    The young Prince of Wales had with him the Earl of Warwick, and the Earl of Oxford, Sir Godfrey de Harcourt, the Lord Raynold Cobham, Lord Thomas Holland, Lord Stafford, Lord Mauley, the Lord De La Warr, Sir John Chandos, Lord Bartholomew Burgherst, Lord Robert Neville, Lord Thomas Clifford, the Lord Bourchier and the Lord Latimer. In this first division, about eight hundred men-at-arms, two thousand archers, and a thousand Welshmen. They advanced in regular order to their ground, each lord under his banner and pennon, in the centre of his men. In the second division were the Earl of Arundel, the Lords Roos, Willoughby, Basset, St Albans, Sir Lewis Tufton, Lord Multon and the Lord Lascels.[20] Sir Thomas Felton, a member of the Order of the Garter, fought at the battles of Crécy and Poitiers.[21][22] Others included Sir Richard Fitz-Simon, Sir Miles Stapleton, the Earl of Northampton, the Earl Bowden, Sir John Sully and Sir Richard Pembrugge (Pembroke).[23]

    In front of the French army were the Moisne of Basle, the Monk of Bazeilles, the lords of Beaujen and Noyles and Louis of Spain. The French army was led by Phillip VI, surrounding him were the Counts of Alençon, Flanders, Blois, the Duke of Lorraine, Jean de Hainaut and de Montmorency, and a gathering of the lords Moisne of Blasle related the location and formation of the English forces.[24]

    Battle[edit]

    The King of England decided they would go no farther and would wait for the enemy. He sent his best men to choose the exact site of the battle. It is also said that he chose this time to knight his son, Edward.[25]

    The men had carried with them much food and wine from their prior victories and were allowed to prepare their weaponry and to rest before the battle. The French had no time to rest, a disadvantage in that the men were tired and the crossbowmen's equipment was still wet.[26]

    As in previous battles against the Scots, Edward III dispersed his forces in an area of flat agricultural land, choosing high ground surrounded by natural obstacles on the flanks. The king installed himself and his staff in a windmill on a small hill that protected the rear, where he could direct the battle.

    In a strong defensive position, the English King ordered that everybody fight on foot and deployed the army in three divisions; one commanded by his sixteen-year-old son, Edward, the Prince of Wales and later known as the Black Prince. The longbowmen were deployed in a "V-formation" along the crest of the hill. In the period of waiting that followed, the English built a system of ditches, pits and caltrops to maim and bring down the enemy cavalry. The admonitions of the Earl Bowden[citation needed] were largely underestimated. His analysis of the effect of the archers was visually illustrated.[clarification needed] Forcing the knights to fight on foot had several advantages: it prevented them from starting a premature charge, it ensured protection for the archers should the French manage to close the distance and it also ensured that the archers and supporting infantry stayed on the battlefield rather than running at the first opportunity (a common occurrence in medieval warfare).[20]
     
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  4. Let me know when you've edited

    Edit: test?


    Edit 2: Didn't work!


    Edit 3: Test?
     
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  5. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Yeah... definitely based on time- and not just some algorithm to see if just a few characters changed.

    As seen above- I edited a short post, added an article to it and it doesn't show having been edited.

    Plus, RHC is a c**t too :)
     
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  6. Ah, looks like the little edit notification is disabled <ok>

    Off to the mod board I go...
     
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  7. Then again, worked on the third attempt (I posted another comment inbetween though)
     
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  8. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    No it is there... I edited your edit on my post- and it shows having been edited. You just edited me too quickly.
     
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  9. Yep, see my last comment <ok>

    Must be a time delay or maybe you can edit the last comment you made without the notification appearing. Of course, you norms can only post once every thirty seconds (or something like that) so it could equate to the same thing
     
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  10. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Time Test

    edit on 2 mins.





    OK- did a time test- testing constantly editing every 10 seconds. You have 2 minutes to post an update without it saying "Edited By". Any time before 2 mins it doesn't show edit.
     
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  11. Think I'm going to get your title changed to Japanese MILF Geek
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    See, I knew you would know. You told us about the h2g2 as well - that was brilliant :biggrin:
     
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  13. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Greez? <laugh> he's the worst culprit of the lot <whistle>
     
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  14. Love you too duck <smooch>
     
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  15. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    I edited my Moreno/Monreal **** up straight away hence it not showing my edit :D I edited it so no-one would notice...Gerrez noticed so is officialy a bellend <ok>

    Quick edit: Now I've just told everyone else anyway <doh>
     
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  16. saintanton

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    ffs for the last page (or half page in Greez's case)

    Don't you buggers read? I'd already done the test in post #37399
     
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  17. I think it was fairly obvious you had edited anyway with you stating as much immediately afterwards <laugh>
     
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  18. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    Did you say something Saint?
     
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  19. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    I think it's fairly obvious you're a bellend <laugh>
     
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  20. I prefer the term lazyfatbaldbatard tbh
     
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