Hey, don't diss the tin foil hats. They stop the man from reading your brain waves while also looking chic.
Think about it, what did the rebels have to gain? Who's credible evidence are you taking about? The recording of the two Russians talking about bring the plane down? The video of the missile launcher on the back of the truck? This is your credible evidence! All conveniently produced by the Ukrainians to discredit the Russians. Ewhy should the burden of proof be just from 1 side? Why have no recordings from air traffic control or details from the black box (which at one point was reported to be in Moscow!!)... Real 'credible' evidence hasn't been produced. Not on single piece or real evidence. Look mate I may be wrong but at least I'm looking at this from both sides and not being driven down a blind alley by the western governments and press. Maybe you could try being a bit more subjective? Take of your tin foil hat. Then again if you can provide the wests credible evidence to prove your blind faith then I'll be very surprised.
That's just somebody's warped opinion. Did Sanddancers write that? Probably the most far fetched one I've read so far.
i don't need to provide evidence - your crazy theory needs justifying with evidence, because the evidence for is small, and the evidence against substantial. until you can reverse that, the burden of proof is on you. if you don't agree with me, read this and you might learn something - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot hint - the teapot isn't real. it wasn't put there by western newspapers.
What makes my evidence more crazy then yours. Why should the burden of proof be on me? The American evidence is flawed, I've stated my case, now you defend it? If you can't or won't then shut up! That's how debating works...
So exaggerating now equals sarcasm? Sarcasm suggest that I was trying to mock or convey contempt. If you feel it was sarcasm that's your own problem not mine. Why so defensive?
Will you stop saying that I am insulting victims. It's getting tedious. Non of the evidence that you are quoting from is being corroborated by any other source then the Ukrainian government. Hardly credible! The Ukrainians had the technology, motive and have covered up all creditable evidence. As I said before the families of the victims (the same as with hillsborough and the press and government cover up) deserve the truth! If you are so blind as to believe the Ukrainians then so be it.
okay. my (and pretty much everyone else's) version of events: the rebels, using a missile launcher possibly appropriated from ukrainian military but in all likelihood given to them by russia (because the russians have been arming the rebels and giving them supplies), fired at a plane they thought was a ukrainian military jet. they brought down other ukrainian military jets recently and have admitted they did so; in fact they were proud of it. so we know they have the technology, and the motive. your version of events: the ukrainian government decides that they want to get more support from the international community against russia, as the russians are backing the rebels and prolonging the conflict. they decide that the best way to do this would be for the rebels, ideally using russian military hardware, to complete an atrocity of some description. they plan to shoot down a passenger plane over the area, as this will be sufficiently awful, and something they can pin on the rebels. they ignore the fact that, should this plot be found out, they will become international pariahs, and lose all support for their cause, their moving to join the eu will be put on hold and likely terminated (they're planning to murder a few hundred dutch people, after all). without the support of the eu, they will be forced to turn to russia for economic support. essentially, they will lose everything if they are found out. they sneak a missile launcher into rebel held territory, shoot down the plane, and then get the rebels to take the missile launcher back to russia for them. everyone believes their version of events. some of the rebels take credit for the accident on twitter before swiftly removing tweets, for no apparent reason. the world points the finger at russia, and ukraine have got away with it! all evidence supports ukraine's ruse - possibly the americans are in on it too (after all, they wanted the eu to increase sanctions on russia) and so they make sure all western media is saturated with their propaganda, because they are all-powerful and omniscient. the russians, who would ****ing love all this to be true because they would get exactly what they wanted, say nothing, and don't bother looking for evidence of any kind to try and absolve themselves of blame for the atrocity. read that back and tell me you aren't past midnight on the crazy clock.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pected-head-Ukraine-intelligence-service.html MH17 rebels meant to down Aeroflot plane... to justify invasion: Astonishing claim by respected head of Ukraine intelligence service Valentyn Nalyvaichenko said pro-Russian rebels hit wrong civilian plane And you call me mad! Wtf!! The Ukrainians now claiming that Russians tried to shoot down an Aeroflot plane but missed. Btw there were no Aeroflot planes in the area at the time.
Here's the article showing a screen shot of all flight in the vicinity...... Ukrainians are ****ing liars. Air India and Singapore airlines no Aeroflot. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/seconds-disaster---british-bound-3879563
