Pardon my french but its so ****ing dumb that Dier isn't homegrown despite being english but people like Gylfi are. I thought the whole homegrown rule was meant to benefit the national team?
s**t im confusing myself now. The point i was trying to make was....hang on a sec.... Yeah, the point i was trying to make was, dont think (as someone had appeared to), that you need another HG to get you up to 8, if it's at the expense of an u21. You might just as well have a squad of 24 plus an u21, as you do a squad of 25 with one of them being no better than the u21 you decide not to buy.
"Yeah, the point i was trying to make was, dont think (as someone had appeared to), that you need another HG to get you up to 8, if it's at the expense of an u21." U21s don't count to the tally, so HGs are never at their expense. The rules attempt to prevent HGs being discarded in favour of overseas players. And if you don't have enough HGs to make use of the max 25 count, use as many U21s as you wish.
Yes i know. That's what i said. Im not trying to cause a row here, but my point was mainly in reply to your earlier comment that, There is no such thing as a "home grown quota"
Let's leave it at the squad can be a maximum of 25 (over 21s), of which a maximum of 17 can be from overseas.
"Let's leave it at the squad can be a maximum of 25 (over 21s), of which a maximum of 17 can be from overseas." That is exactly it.
"If i could be assed with it, id find your comment yesterday on ja" Will it help you in future to decide which articles to (not) like here ??
Quite the opposite - it's dumb to say that somebody spending eleven years on the books at Sporting Lisbon is irrelevant just because of where they were born.
Anyone watched Musacchio before then? I've watched La Liga less and less over the years so I can't say I'm too clued up as to whether this £17m is being well spent. Apparently Villareal's player of the season last year, though only has 2 Argentina caps, is there a reason behind that or is it purely down to the Argie manager preferring his current duo? His signing 100% rubberstamps one CB departure, possibly two.
Spurm is right, we were sold the home grown rule to help our national team. It turns out there is only an indirect correlation. Anyone qualified for that league's national team should be classified as home grown. It is dumb that Siggy qualifies but Dier doesn't.
"Anyone watched Musacchio before then?" The question of the week. And if he is worth having, I assume Levy will sort that 17m out with the appropriate add-on clauses.
"Spurm is right, we were sold the home grown rule to help our national team. It turns out there is only an indirect correlation. Anyone qualified for that league's national team should be classified as home grown. It is dumb that Siggy qualifies but Dier doesn't." Whatever the aim, the current rules aren't helping the national side. Perhaps all foreign academy players should get brownie points based on the number of parent club U18/U21 league games, senior games for domestic loan/parent club etc. Get enough points, and you're home-grown. Not nonsense on years under contract etc.
No it isn't. Dier first joined Sporting when he was nine years old, and spent the next eleven years there. Saying that doesn't count because of where he is born is utterly illogical, not only because not only has he spent almost his entire career until this point in Portugal, he's also lived in Portugal longer than he has lived in England. The exact same thing could be said for Owen Hargreaves, who spent the first thirteen years of his life in Calgary and the next ten in Munich, so how the hell does he qualify as "home grown"? And what about Ben Davies? He will qualify as a HG player despite his ten Wales caps, do you think this is "dumb" too? There's a simple reason why the definition of HG is a player who spent 36 months at a club (or a club in the same association) between the ages of 15-21 and not because their parents happened to have sex in one country or another: because within the EU it is illegal to do so, and has been since the Bosman ruling. On top of all that, the HG rule was never sold as benefiting the national team, that's just the spin The FA put on it - UEFA implemented the rule for three reasons: i.) To stop certain clubs stockpiling players to make their domestic league a procession and the Champions league a G14 reunion concert ii.) To protect the young players within a club's academy system by putting the responsibility on the clubs to develop them iii.) To protect clubs from having the prospects they spent years developing being poached for next to nothing The rule was implemented to help young players first and foremost - if that does improve their respective national sides, that's a knock-on effect and not the primary reason for its implementation. Besides, it's not like England being crap is a new thing - 1974, 1978 and 1994 ring a bell?
Archer loaned to Northampton until January: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/northampton-loan-for-jordan-050814/ The OP needs one hell of an update.
Looks like the Mussachio transfer has run into problems. I won't go into a complete translation, but essentially Villareal only "own" 35% of the player. They want at least €17mil for their part. Which means that unless River Plate and the player's agent will accept a much reduced sum, it's going to be a big hang up. To cap it all, Villareal want things concluded quickly as they want time to find a replacement. http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2014/08/04/primera/1407183711_080272.html
