Joey giving it large on Israel

Some stranger than others.

 

If you put your foot on someones neck, dont be surprised if they try to bite back. The discrepancy in weaponary and resources is huge.

 

No experience of other worlds, I guess like you, I'm just talking about this one!

 

"why don't they flush out the orchestrators of this conflict":

"6) This current Gaza conflict began with Hamas rocket fire on 30 June 2014?

Times of Israel: "Hamas operatives were behind a large volley of rockets which slammed into Israel Monday morning, the first time in years the Islamist group has directly challenged the Jewish state, according to Israeli defense officials.. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.. Hamas hasn't fired rockets into Israel since Operation Pillar of Defense ended in November 2012." The Nation: "During ten days of Operation Brother's Keeper in the West Bank [before the start of the Gaza conflict], Israel arrested approximately 800 Palestinians without charge or trial, killed nine civilians and raided nearly 1,300 residential, commercial and public buildings. Its military operation targeted Hamas members released during the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange in 2011."

"7) Hamas has never stopped firing rockets into Israel

Jewish Daily Forward: "Hamas hadn't fired a single rocket since [2012 Gaza conflict], and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013." International Crisis Group: "Fewer rockets were fired from Gaza in 2013 than in any year since 2001, and nearly all those that were fired between the November 2012 ceasefire and the current crisis were launched by groups other than Hamas; the Israeli security establishment testified to the aggressive anti-rocket efforts made by the new police force Hamas established specifically for that purpose.. As Israel (and Egypt) rolled back the 2012 understandings - some of which were implemented spottily at best - so too did Hamas roll back its anti rocket efforts."

"8) Hamas provoked Israel by kidnapping and killing three Israeli teenagers

Jewish Daily Forward: "The [Israeli] government had known almost from the beginning that the boys were dead. It maintained the fiction that it hoped to find them alive as a pretext to dismantle Hamas' West Bank operations.. Nor was that the only fib. It was clear from the beginning that the kidnappers weren't acting on orders from Hamas leadership in Gaza or Damascus. Hamas' Hebron branch -- more a crime family than a clandestine organization -- had a history of acting without the leaders' knowledge, sometimes against their interests." BBC correspondent Jon Donnison: "Israeli police MickeyRosenfeld tells me men who killed 3 Israeli teens def lone cell, hamas affiliated but not operating under leadership.. Seems to contradict the line from Netanyahu government."

"11) All serious analysts agree it was Hamas, and not Israel, that started this current conflict

Nathan Thrall, senior Mid East analyst at the International Crisis Group, writing in the New York Times: "The current escalation in Gaza is a direct result of the choice by Israel and the West to obstruct the implementation of the April 2014 Palestinian reconciliation agreement." Henry Siegman, former national director, American Jewish Congress, writing for Politico: "Israel's assault on Gaza.. was not triggered by Hamas' rockets directed at Israel but by Israel's determination to bring down the Palestinian unity government that was formed in early June, even though that government was committed to honoring all of the conditions imposed by the international community for recognition of its legitimacy."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/gaza-israel_b_5624401.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

even Israeli officials have now confirmed it wasn't Hamas that kidnapped and murdered the 3 Israeli teens.

Photo from 2-3 years back but still very relevant.

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"Israel have every right to retaliate when being attacked.":

Actually it doesn't, not in the scale they are doing it now (according to international law):

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-attacks-designed-terrorize-gaza-population-international-law-experts-say

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/international-collective-punishment.html

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/boyle.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/john-prescott-israels-bombardment-gaza-3918413#ixzz38nhdk5pw

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html

and many more...


"the vast majority of those killed have most likely been human shields in some form or another":

http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/school-gaza-refugee-camp-shelled-killing-15-people/1672

"5) Hamas use the civilians of Gaza as 'human shields'

Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields." The Guardian: "In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay." The Independent: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields." Reuters, 2013: "A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields."

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"to late for tears now, they started and Israel will now finish once and for all."

see answer to "why don't they flush out the orchestrators of this conflict":


here is the reason this conflict is dragging on:

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What a load of old ****.

 

Another load of old ****.

So it has nothing to do with Israel having one of the most sophisticated missile defence systems in the world, paid for by America then ???

 

Kidnapped Israeli's 'British Links' Investigated
Israel fears one of its soldiers is kidnapped as the Foreign Office investigates whether he has links to the UK.
7:10pm UK, Friday 01 August 2014
A Palestinian woman reacts upon seeing her destroyed house in Beit Hanoun town

Video: Gaza Truce 'Over Within Two Hours'

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Israel is stepping up its assault on Gaza following the reported abduction of an Israeli soldier, believed to have ties to the UK.

An internationally-brokered ceasefire is in tatters after the Israeli military said 23-year-old Hadar Goldin was kidnapped on Friday during an operation to destroy cross-border tunnels used by the militants.

Two other Israeli soldiers were reported to have been killed in the incident, which took place around 90 minutes into a three-day truce.

 

yes, it was reported shortly after the CAPTURE that the soldier might be a British citizen fighting in Israeli army. Ridiculous to talk about kidnap in this context.

 

My point was that if Hamas could they would happily kill over 1000 Israeli citizens, you should not feel sorry for them because despite their efforts, they're unable to "kill every Jew in Israel".

Just you wait to see water happens when Scotland votes to stay part of the UK, those fanatical separatist Scots will start tossing their Caber's at English towns all along the border, then what you expect the English army to do. I'm sure they will try to fing all those Scottish tossers and deal harshly with them!

 

I know that this is only a very selective sample - and the people attributed to - are lunatics, but I also do know what this instinctively reminds me of.

 

Yes me to, the BNP

 

No mate, it reminds me of the Nazis

 

And we have a winner

 

And Godwin's Law brings the debate to a close. Any thread equating Jews with Nazis is gonna get the thread closed, I'm pretty sure about that...

 

I know, I apologise but it was genuinely the image that came to mind. Forget I wrote it.

 

100%

 

By the way danishqpr my mother was Danish, she spent nearly 2 years in Warnemunde.

 

And I'm sorry to be responsible for the image in your mind.

But just want to point out that being anti-Zionist is no the same thing as being anti-semitic, being critical of this conflict and opposing Israel is in no way anti-semitism, it's Humane.

I honestly believe there is no chance of lasting peace as long as Israel is ruled by Zionists, and Palestine is ruled by Hamas. Both have to change their governments before there is any hope of a permanent solution.

 

Danish, I think you'll find I said it mate, And Willy I know what your saying but I defy anyone to read the quotes attributed to those people and say they don't sound like Nazis however unbelievable that may seem.

 

Then you come from excellent stock - I on the other hand am a born Cockney of 100% Spanish heritage living the dream in this most wonderful country - as long as you're not a Giraffe of course!