"I fully support people in a religion to believe whatever they want- and live their lives however they want as long as they don't create victims in the process." How condescending of you! You can believe what you like provided that you behave in a way that me and my mates demand! That's just myopically pathetic!!! After that you go into an emotional mish-mash. You may have a degree (most graduates have only proved that they know enough to be dangerous!) but you should be able to discern from what I have written that the Jews (and particularly the Zionists) view of the world is totally predicated on what, for them God says in the Bible - or Talmud to be more precise. Therefore your atheistic/logical approach to understanding their actions is totally meaningless. BTW, I don't care what qualifications you've got and it what but my advice is junk the science journals and read wider, when you come back to the science your understanding will be all the better for it.
There's nothing wrong with that statement whatsoever. It's merely live and let live, you can follow whatever God you wish, but if your 'beliefs' impact on someone elses existence in a negative manner, then it's unacceptable. There's nothing condescending about that at all. The fact that you've taken it as such and reacted with such venom, speaks volumes though.....
Is it? Did not a former president of Iran proclaim that Israel should be obliterated? Is not the expulsion of the Jews "into the sea" not one of the fundamental objectives of Hamas? Did not the then strongest powers of Egypt and Syria combine to attack Israel? As for the settlements that is an issue that could have been negotiated decades ago! Strategically, Israel is right to continue on the basis that they ultimately have more to trade. It may not be moral but its a very good strategy. But whilst the Arab world can't unite and sit down and negotiate meaningfully then Israel will continue to see itself surrounded by hostile territory controlled by extremists.
Yeh it shows that people like you have absolutely no understanding of the motivations of other people who hold any religious views. The statement has nothing to do with me and my beliefs. If you can't even appreciate that the phrase is condescending towards people of a particular faith then there's no hope!
That's merely one eyed dogma. When have the Palestinians refused an invitation from Israel to negotiate over the ILLEGAL settlements? Israel has repeated stuck 2 fingers up to the UN and the 160 Nations that backed the resolution instructing them to leave the occupied land. The reality is that Israel is viewed as the rogue state in the Arab World and given it's behaviour it's a tag that's wholly appropriate.
From your performance over the last few days I doubt you would recognise irony if it jumper up and hit you in the face.
There you go again, "you don't understand" blah, blah. Give it a rest ffs. Your problem is that you lack any sense of perspective. You've got tunnel vision when it comes to your own views, beliefs and in particular your "faith". Your response to his simple statement there is laughable. As all he said was live and let live in essence. However, you've taken umbridge at the thought that someone could potentially chastise you if your 'beliefs' impinged on someone elses existence. As you obviously think that your beliefs are such that they should be unquestionable irrespective of their impact on others.......
I make no demands other than they harm no others in fulfilling their religious desires. Everyone has right to their own religion- they can do things I don't necessarily approve of... it's when they turn someone else into a victim it becomes wrong. For example- I've never taken drugs in my life... never cared to. Couldn't care less if others do- their choice. Rastafarians don't bother me. If they believe smoking pot brings them closer to God- let 'em smoke pot. No one is hurt by that (other than perhaps themselves). On the otherhand if the KKK want to kill black people because their interpretation of the bible says that blacks are inferior. THAT IS WRONG! There is a victim in that case. Thank you, that is entirely what I meant and had no intent to sound condescending with that statement. I understand the motivation- just as I understand the motivation for certain branches of Islam to want to perform female genital mutilation. I just completely disagree with it. As humans we have to have a common rule of conduct- certain things just don't work if we want some sort of human harmony. There are lots of groups that have religious beliefs that would cause harm to others. We can't just accept it because "they really-really believe it is OK and God mandated". I know a lot of people are anti-religion on these forums and I'm not one. Although I don't believe in any specific religion, it doesn't mean I see the merits it brings a lot of people- or that I have any desire to "convert the world to atheism/agnosticism." If people want to follow a religion- that is perfectly fine with me. However- they MUST understand that they must play nicely with others. At the heart of most religions, in the main stream form of those religions peace usually plays a predominant part, and most has one clause or another about respecting fellow man... a part certain people want to ignore... hence the hate groups over the years.
Dave , if the muzzies take over Britain sometime in the future and implent sharia law will you be happy to go along with it, meaning a whole nations way of life will change as in alcohol will be illeagal , No food during daylight for ramadan as it will be the law. Will you sit back and think ah well its their belief and they're in power or will you think **** that im sneaking a sandwich at noon?
We even got old Lizzie to take a day off from draining the economy to celebrate St Pats day in Liverpool with us in march, so there's hope for the middle east yet. please log in to view this image
Don't usually agree with Joey Barton but on this occasion he's got it right. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...midfielder-condemns-Israeli-actions-Gaza.html Yossi calling Barton's view "stupid" yet his view/opinion is as someone not aligned to either side.
If you want it plain and simple then I can't be held responsible for your inability to read, comprehend and then digest what is presented to you. You merely see what you expect to be there and respond accordingly. Throughout this thread I have never once talked about my faith. I have never once demanded that any side in this conflict take a particular course of action. All that I have done is to present the idea that merely demanding that either side stop their actions without even the attempt to try and understand how and why those actions are seen as necessary is both myopic and futile So I'll say it in big type for you so that you just may be able to see it THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME, MY BELIEFS OR MY FAITH so you can stick those comments. I've already told you why his statement is condescending so if you can't accept that then tough ****. However this conflict will ultimately be resolved I certainly hope that it is not by one dimensional thinkers like you.
