seems Rentathug has exchanged his profile to Rentacomment 'If this was anybody else but Israel the West would intervene,' said Barton in one of a number of tweets posted on Friday morning. 'It cannot continue. Innocent children being slaughtered. This must stop. 'How can a God stand by and watch this? Or even condone this? Is this all part of his master plan? 'The UN attempting to evacuate the school when the bombing took place? Asked IDF (The Israel Defense Force) for window to evacuate. Not given. Children die as a result. 'This is not war. These are not combatants. They are just innocent children. This is ethnic cleansing.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...demns-Israeli-actions-Gaza.html#ixzz38Vai4RzH Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook So Barton wants to stop the war in Palestine ? Off you go then Joey, and the best of luck. To me it seems rather obvious, get Hamas to stop firing missiles into Israel, and they will stop firing back. It's a no brainer Joey, even for your politics.
Guess we all have different opinions, but considering all the persecution the Jews have put up with for centuries, can you blame them for hitting back?
Israel's actions are deplorable, but so is Barton's oh so typical knee jerk reaction. The biggest two killers of children worldwide are diarrhoea and pneumonia, which kill 2 million children under five a year. If Barton cared so much about it, he could save more children than Israel has killed in its entire history, simply by donating a week's wages to any one of many children's charities. His comment about western intervention is also typical ignoramus BS. It took four years and tens of thousands of deaths before NATO did anything worthwhile in Bosnia, and we let Iraq, Iran and Syria kill thousands more without any sort of meaningful 'intervention'. The ethnic cleansing comment is also pretty ironic, given Hamas is the only party in the conflict with a stated policy of ethnic cleansing. Yes, Israel has overreacted once again to a relatively minor threat (which it has in common with pretty much every major nation in the world including the UK), but as long as it faces an enemy which denies its right to peaceful existence then it will probably continue to do so. Imo the comments of Barton and others in this area have more to do with a desire to engage in some Jew / Israel bashing than they have to do with the realities of the situation. Just how vocal was Joey about the Houla, Queiq River and Benitu massacres?
Absolutely! Yes you can! The Palestinians weren't the ones gassing them- or chasing them out of France. Very few Palestinians were Jesuits. I fail to see how their historical plight can be blamed in Palestine. Palestine only started disliking Israel when the UK via the UN encouraged a bunch of white Europeans to move to the area and take land from the Palestinians- setting up a foreign nation in their homeland.
Another common oversimplification Milk. Jews and Palestinian Arabs had lived together in the Ottoman province of Palestine for decades before the UN was even founded. The land the UN assigned to the Jews already had a majority of Jewish inhabitants at the time of the partition, as did the land assigned to the Arabs. Ironically enough, the Palestinians were betrayed by their fellow Arabs rather than the Jews. The Palestinians were given their own independent state, under Arab governance, in Palestine, same as the Jews were. The main cause of the last sixty plus years of conflict was the other Arab states who invaded Palestine after the mandate, without being invited, in the name of 'saving' the Palestinians, when their actual aim was to divide Palestine between themselves. I don't claim that justifies the violence Israel has unleashed over the past weeks, but the situation is not as simple as the Jew haters out there would have you believe.
Just to make a point, I am not pro Israeli, but I still consider it a right to defend your country against terrorism. Despite the Israelis responding with excessive force, if Hamas would stop firing missiles then maybe they could negotiate a peace. But if Hamas wish to continue, don't whinge when you get hit back 10 times as hard.
Do you think it is possible that if the "settlers" withdrew to their homeland the missiles might stop?
There have been "peace" negotiations for untold years, neither side want peace (goverment wise, not the ordinary people).
so if they can't negotiate, what's the point? To me its seems pretty stupid for Hamas to make demands they know the Israelis win not agree to, and still carry on firing rockets that are not far off being bonfire night rockets with a small explosive head. If they fire a couple of rockets Israel replies with state of the art high explosive missiles with a huge warhead in comparison. So why not stop with the ridiculous demands, and protect the population who are trying to get on with their lives.
Most were new arrivals though. Predicting that they would be given a new state because of politics of the day- hundreds of thousands to millions arrived from Europe throughout the 1930s and 1940s (and some in the 1920s). Of course- after the war when the arabs got crushed and kicked out even more arrived. Geneologically- the Arabs and Jews that had been living there prior to the 1920s were actually very closely related. The ones that started arriving from Europe were genetically closer to Europeans than the historical Jews having been breeding with Europeans for so long. Palestinians are basically Jews who didn't leave and either adopted Xianity or Islam. I'm neither "pro-Jew" or "anti-Jew". I think the creation of Israel was a mistake- as was the allowing of so many Europeans to come flooding the area so quickly. That said- they're there and the majority there were born there now and not responsible for their ancestors- and as a state need protecting... HOWEVER- they are completely out of line with how they treat Palestine. Yes, Palestine and Hamas do some pretty despicable stuff- but they're a desperate impoverished people who are gradually having slice of land after slice of land taken away from them- and the current blockade is disgusting. Israel is creating the environment for terrorism to exist and thrive in their backyard. I understand their motives and what they see as justifications... but they're causing their own problems.
If my history is correct HRH, the Arabs have tried several times to win a war against Israel. Each time with the same result
Exactly HRH. So back to the original suggestion. Stop Hamas firing the glorified fireworks at Israel and they will stop sending in the serious missiles. It really is that simple
True, but then between 1880, when the Zionist movement really took root, and 1948 the Jewish population of Palestine rose from around 50,000 to around 600,000, and the Muslim population from around 450,000 to around 1,200,000. So unless the Arabs were breeding like rabbits for that period, they were swelled by a number of new migrants too. In fact there is significant evidence that Zionism was accompanied by similar migration from the Arabs, who moved into Palestine en masse in an effort to ensure the Jews would be outnumbered and that Palestine would become independent as purely an Arab state. I personally don't see that as being any better than Zionism, and arguably much worse as many of the Arabs who migrated to Palestine ultimately became impoverished and abandoned by their own nations who saw them as a convenient rallying point for international anti Israeli sentiment. I can see that argument, although I would also say it applies to most of the nations which were created out of the rump of the Ottoman Empire. Iraq in particular, but also Syria and Lebanon were created more out of convenience than any real historical boundaries. Tho' it could equally be argued that the fate of the Kurds, who have suffered far more than the Palestinians, shows what would have happened to the Jews had they not been allowed their own statehood. Again, I can see the argument here, but then I can see the other side too. Hamas' terrorism isn't driven by poverty or poor living conditions, it is pure religious racism. Hamas views the Palestinian conflict as purely a religious struggle between Muslims and Jews. So whilst Israel could take away some of Hamas' popular support by lifting the blockade, this wouldn't stop Hamas from attacking them, and would make it easier for Hamas to obtain more weapons and for more Arab fundamentalists to enter Gaza. Ultimately the question Israel faces is whether it wants to face a poorly equipped and impoverished enemy with a strong claim to the moral high ground, or a well equipped and funded enemy with no claim to the moral high ground. In a situation like that, it's not too hard to see why Israel doesn't care all that much about morality.
So it's okay for them to murder a thousand innocent people, hundreds of which are children? What a moronic thing to say.
