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Sigurdsson v Michu

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  1. Bap666

    Bap666 Well-Known Member

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    And he repaid us with a first class first season and signing a new 4 year contract 6 months after joining us in the January transfer window (shows a lot of loyalty considering he had originally signed a 3year contract in the july when we "plucked" him from obscurity!!) I dont get all this negatiove **** towards the guy. Something must have seriously happened for him to have a total flip reversal in his opinion and loayal attitude to us. Whatever those reasons were we gave him the break he delivered and we will eventually more than likeley make a profit after the loan deal. So everyone should be happy!!
     
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  2. ValleyGraduate12

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    Of course we gave him his break and I have not said otherwise regarding paying us back with his first season. However it looks to me that he was faking injury and 'refused' to play for us for half a season, and I will never forgive him for that. Ben and Vorm have thanked the fans etc, Michu (and Pablo, still our player atm) hasn't after all the support we gave him and the way we welcomed him back after the first lay off. So quite frankly, he can get stuffed as far as I am concerned.
     
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  3. swanselona

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    And how quick some have turned on him since Napoli claimed an interest. People have been claiming he was faking the injury before the deal with Napoli was agreed, maybe he genuinly was struggling, after all the Napoli medical was how many weeks after the last game of the season, that is a long time to heal don't ya think. He clearly wasn't far off as we played him, but maybe he wasn't quite right, we as a club have a tendency to rush players back from injury, so is it any suprise we may have done it with Michu aswell? Maybe Michu made it clear he wasn't ready to play, but was rushed back anyway, and is why he doesn't want to be here, a club not looking after players properly?

    its not always easy coming back from injury, only have to look at Pablo to see how long it can take some. Maybe some should look at their own "honour and loyalty" before having a pop at others. Maybe if people hadn't of turned on him like a pack of rabid dogs, he would have said thanks for the memories. Instead people did turn on him, whilst he was still our player, and he is probably glad he made the decision to go.
     
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  4. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet Forum Moderator

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    I only 'turned' on him after he didn't thank the fans. Classes move by him and I hope we never see him in a Swans shirt again tbh,
     
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  5. swanselona

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    I changed it to "some", rather than "you", as there was moaning before the Napoli deal, there was moaning that he was faking his injury the moment we heard Napoli came calling, it may not have been you, but there was definitely those saying it, because it bugged the **** out of me, they go on about loyalty, yet they turn at the first opportunity, its the sad mentality of fans at times, its asking loyalty from players, but shows none when the players are no longer needed, such as those claiming loyalty, showed very little to Vasquez.
     
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  6. Jack Uzi

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    TBF he's only gone on loan. Hasn't actually left the club permanently yet.
     
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  7. Bap666

    Bap666 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. For me a player thanks us by delivering when he can on the pitchand doesnt ditch us at the first opportunity. Anymore than that is pure romanticism from fans. Siggy didnt thanks us before he left for Spurs and he left because brendan left. Now Michu does the same and possibly fo rthe same reasons and we round on him like rabid dogs lol, yet we welcome Siggy back with open arms makes me laugh Fickle Fickle fans
     
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  8. Dragonborn

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    Yes Michu was very loyal. Can anyone tell me which club he refused to go to in order to stay with Laudrup (sorry, the Swans)? The second Laudrup had gone his attitude changed - that's unprofessional und unforgiveable imo, regardless of his accomplishments the season before. Talk about rose tinted glasses.

    Swanselona says we're all idiots for turning on the guy but he's talking utter ****e (apparently I can say that) and I'm sick of comments like "he's an emotional guy" and "he wears his heart on his sleeve". Bless him. You wouldn't be saying any of that if anyone else has turned his back on his club so publicly without even thanking the fans for their hero worship of him.

    Michu was a brilliant asset to our Club and as others have said, one of the best players ever to wear the shirt. But sadly the evidence seems to tell us the man doesn't care about the Swans, his colleagues or us, and I'm really disappointed in him. I suggest we forget about him now as he's history - you can bet he's forgotten about us.

    Comparing a 'normal' sale like we did with Siggy and countless others is wrong. Michu has performed poorly since Laudrup left and as expected has told the Club that really wants to keep him that he doesn't want to play for us. Entirely different. Loyalty is a two way street.

    Oh, and that Siggy goal was by far the better of the two. Great touch, control and finish. :)
     
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  9. Nosugarman

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    The question was posed many times was Michu a one season wonder. As a season ticket holder and based on the evidence of my own eyes the answer is yes.
     
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  10. swanselona

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    You and another guy work for the same company, you joined that company because of that guy. You build up a close friendship with him, then that company fires him, your not entirely sure why, you think they have done the dirty on him, now if that was me, I would be finding somewhere else to work too, but then that's just me, I personally couldn't work there if I thought they had done the dirty on someone, its about loyalty, you just don't like which loyalty he chose. He seems to have chose to be more loyal to the man that brought him here, his manager for nearly 2 seasons over the club, it seems he thinks something went wrong. Maybe the fact the club are not showing any loyalty to Pozuelo or Canas has added to Michu deciding which way his loyalty was going. But then as I said, the sad mentality of fans can't always see that, they only want to see what they want to see.

    I don't know why Michu wanted to leave, I won't condemn him though, nor will I praise him for leaving, I am after all unhappy he has gone, but the fact of the matter is, we don't know why he has left, you however have chosen to believe what you wanted, and have condemned him on your belief, I however have chose to just get on with it, I don't know whether he was being childish, or whether he really believes the club done the dirty, I won't condemn nor praise him. He will however go with my respect after what he did for us last season, and the effort he put into playing prior the ML sacking. Because that was the most passionate player we had, and for him to go off the boil like he did, something was going on, something we are not privy too, but you continue to condemn him if you wish on nothing but here-say and guess work. As I said, sad mentality of a fan.

    Can you point to your post where you thanked Vasquez for his time here, can you also point out to your post where you thanked JDG for his time spent here. Heck whilst we are at it, where is your thanks to Vorm and Ben. Links will suffice.

    Btw yes you can say I am talking ****, I am a big boy, I don't get all worked up just because someone said a naughty word. And don't worry I won't go crying to valley to ask him to remove it, why, because I have thick enough skin to deal with it. The only time I get bothered is when someone uses said word to launch abuse and personal insults. Telling me I am talking ****, is not abuse or insulting to me.
     
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  11. Dragonborn

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    Good - because you are....and lots of it. :)

    It's not up to each individual fan to post tweets to highly paid players thanking them for their contribution. <doh> You're just being daft in making silly points like that - and you know it.

    However, you'd think Michu would have said something - he's an avid user of social media and has even posted inane ramblings following his girlfrend's departure. He's well aware the fans here adored him but he couldn't even be bothered to post something. That sort of thing, coupled with his awful performances since Laudrup left give me the evidence I need so it's not a question of "believing what I want". It's based on actual events or non-events.

    I've said repeatedly that I regard Michu's departure the same as any other player who turns his back on my Club when it's been made clear that everyone here from the Board to the fans want him to stay. It's entirely different to a selling scenario imo where all parties come to a mutually convenient agreement.

    You and others like you seem to forget (because of one spectacular season) the guy has effectively refused to play for our Club. Rank hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned because you would never cut anyone else that much slack imo.

    I've said my piece and we agree to disagree so I won't post again on the subject - it's also off topic. Go ahead and have the last word I know that's your thing. <ok>
     
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  12. swanselona

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    Now now :p

    I was not on about a personal thankyou, I am on about a regular, thanks to him on here, like some have said "am thankful for what he gave us, not happy he is moving" blah blah stuff, just like those have posted wishing luck to Ben in his move. They may not, ok will not see it, but have you posted anything like that, other fans have. As I said he may not ever see it, but its a show of gratitude, something you are condemning him for not showing, but you have failed to do it yourself. Unlike you though he is not slagging anyone off with his move, he isn't condemning the club (if as mentioned he feels the treated ML and maybe others badly) which if he was like you, he would have done, that would be a show of class. Something that fans don't often have. Is there a statement by the club thanking Michu? Nope, its just a statement that he is off on loan. No good luck from the club in their statement either. Maybe because its a loan and not a transfer, he doesn't need to say goodbye just yet.

    As posted above, he hasn't left the swans, he is only off on loan, can you find me a tweet, or facebook post from one of our other players who has gone out on loan this season thanking the club and fans for everything they have done for them? Maybe if Napoli buy him next season, then he will say his thanks and goodbyes.

    Heck should make it easy, Ki went out on loan last season, did he thank you for your support? If not, did you criticise him and hang him out to dry?

    Not if he does not want to be here due to personal reasons, whether that be issues behind closed doors with the manager, with the chairmen, with other influential players. He wouldn't want to stay, and who would blame him, would you continue to work in an environment you don't like being around? I wouldn't, so why would I expect him too. ITs not different, as Canas and Pozuello may not have wanted to go, but have been told they are no longer needed, I am sure they must have agreed to be told they are surplus to requirements, that will do their portfolio the world of bloody good wouldn't it. Stop making excuses for your differing opinion on opposite scenarios. You are a fan of swansea, you will stick by the club, its why your condeming Michu, yet not condemning the club for doing the exact opposite to Pozuello and Canas.

    No different to the club telling Pozuello and Canas they won't play for the club again, yet you don't condemn that, why because your a fan, with one eye open.

    Why do people feel the need to say they won't reply again, its a discussion, I am going to reply. If you want the discussion to end, don't reply. Not hard.

    You are right however, we will have to agree to disagree, because there is no way I can agree to having a biased opinion depending on which side of the coin im looking at.
     
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  13. roofjack_22

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    Give yours a shake too valley.Michu scored lots of goals the season before he came to us . I guess we gave Bony his BIG chance under the same reasoning .
     
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  14. ValleyGraduate12

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    But how many people in Swansea let alone the rest of European football had heard of Michu before we signed him? We put him on the global stage and gave him the platform to be a global star.
     
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    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet Forum Moderator

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    Can always count on Swanselona and Dragonborn to have a lovers tiff <laugh>
     
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  16. swanselona

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    I love him really :p just also love a heated debate haha
     
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  17. roofjack_22

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    Who heard of Bony , who heard of Ronaldo before he got to United .. I could go on .
     
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  18. roofjack_22

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    We always needed Michu more than he needed us . Michu left the way he did because he felt a bit like how lots of Swansea fans felt when Laudrup was sacked in such a cowardly way ( sorry ).Laudrup knew who Michu was , thats all that counts . He knew who Chico was , he knew who Routledge was when no one else did. He knew all this at value prices .
     
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  19. ValleyGraduate12

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    Really, you want to compare the Ronaldo situation <laugh>

    He was a 17/18 year old kid at the time he signed for Utd.
     
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  20. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet Forum Moderator

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    Can always go and stand in the sun and shout at yourself ;)
     
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