Better yet- land in Alaska. It was almost completely unpopulated - no one (or very few people to repopulate) - they could have been compensated... rather than the 3/4million Palestinians who were forced off their lands with no compensation to make way for Israel.
Why is it a hash wish list ? And lets be honest wtf is wrong with the blockade of gaza being lifted if the palestinians get help to force it.
And you truly trust a Wiki search? How do you expect anybody to take that type of argument seriously when you can't even be bothered to either refernce it of try and put it into context. So I'm afraid I don't trust its validity (neither would any academic in such an isolated form) and trust the value of your opinion even less when if you base your understanding on it.
I think the last word you should be using here is 'easy'. Seems like its a very risky and dangerous move to make. The easy option is to takr the refugees compared to creating a new land. And havent we (Britain) done this quite a few times? Changed boarders to suit different people and cultures. Or completly **** up these cultures? Isnt history full of stuff like this? Some of our greatest nations (depending on your pov) rose from similar events?
Then all of the early written records that have so far been found are totally wrong are they? Greek, Roman, Arameic documents all place the Jews in the lands that later came to be called Palestine. Now I think that satisfies the Jews considering that area as their historic homeland.
Pre Israel, the last time Jerusalem was fully Jewish was before the Romans turfed them out. That's a long long time ago hash. Should we just reinstate all pre roman borders and countries? And Ireland will be united when the residents of NI vote for it, not have it imposed upon them.
Agree. Most of the **** in the Middle East is caused by us carving it up after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
There are references at the bottom of the page that link directly to the study. Follow them. I'm not basing this on Wikipedia- I just used Wikipedia as a quick easy search. This is basic stuff that is taught in history classes in school- now with genetic proof behind it besides the extensive geneologic records showing Jews marrying and having children with Europeans. Yes- the Palestinians were of the Jewish religion then. And many were Christian. Now- most of those same people are Muslims and were living in what is now Israel before the Western world intervened. The Jewish people are mainly of European descent. Even if you don't trust science- use your eyes. They even look more European rather than middle eastern. There is no such thing as a Jewish race- Judaism is a religion not an ethnicity. There are black Jews, middle eastern Jews, white Jews, and even a small number of Asian Jews.
Because Iran does not have the military power to sustain a war against Israel. If it did happen Irael is more likely to view such an attack by Iran as a war to the finish than a signal for negotiation. There's absolutely nothing wrong in the blockade being lifted. Israel has already set out the terms that they want I believe. Those term appear unacceptable to Hamas - so the stalemate continues. Takes 2 to party Hash
Because Iran does not have the military power to sustain a war against Israel. If it did happen Irael is more likely to view such an attack by Iran as a war to the finish than a signal for negotiation. There's absolutely nothing wrong in the blockade being lifted. Israel has already set out the terms that they want I believe. Those term appear unacceptable to Hamas - so the stalemate continues. Takes 2 to party Hash
Youre r8ght in terms of iran but 8m using iran as the poster boy ... if the west left israel to fend for itself itd most likely be iran , syria (providing they get their own house in order) libya once the american plant of a leader is removed and others 8n the region. Its my belief that a part of the reason america went after saddam and gadaffi and assad is so thered be israel friendly leaders. We know the main reasons were gadaffi wanted to sell oil for gold and not dollars. Saddam was bush's gift for his daddy and assad needed to go as he was anti west despite his country being largely secular.
We screwed up the middle east. We screwed up India/Pakistan/Bangladesh... We screwed up much of Africa- take Nigeria- force two groups of tribes together that hate each other into one country. I think for the most part there was good intentions in how we partitioned territories when we left them and granted them independence- just a general mistake making! In reality there was probably no good way to handle the middle east/India, etc... no matter what we did would have been problematic. I don't know if there would have been a way to create an Israel/Palestine where no group had a majority Xian/Jew/ or Muslim- and create a state that was founded on religious freedom. Obviously- there was less good will when we conquered them in the first place- that was just selfishness... but that was a different dog-eat-dog era... If we didn't the French/Dutch/Portuguese... etc would... then we'd be weaker than them... etc.
And answering my own question. I think not one thing would change. Israel is a nuclear country. Look at Russia, US and China, they have perpetrated war crimes and crimes against humanity? Will they ever get hauled before the Hague or UN? Will they ever get the Iraq treatment? Nope. Because of the nukes. Pakistan is the worlds biggest terrorist breeding ground but will they get the Afghan treatment? Nope, nukes. What you would get is an even more belligerent and paranoid Israel, harsher (if possible) on the Palestinians, the surrounding countries might keep supplying arms to them but that's it. They all got spanked by Israel without the nukes never mind with them. Russia or China would replace US and UK as their major trading partners, specifically arms.. And they really wouldn't even pretend to put pressure on them regarding human rights....(See North Korea and Vietnam) So nothing would change except the colour of the flags........
Lol no we wont be chinese thanks to the loyalists. Theyve made it quite clear with their bonfires and the chinese assembly member's posters all over them #loyalistskeepingirelandirish #unionistsinaunitedireland #itsstillaunion I get what youre saying and like I said I believe 8n my natural lifetime there will be a united ireland. Thats not to say itll all be rosy and we'll all be holding hands singing kum bay ah around a st.patrick bonfire.
Yup... If I were Iran/North Korea... or any other country that US did not have a favorable opinion of... I WOULD be developing nukes. Even if I were a borderline country... say "Saudi Arabia" - a country with mixed relations with the West... if it were me... I'd definitely try getting nukes even if I pissed off the west in the process. Once you have nukes you have a certain immunity from superpower invasion. I'm glad SA and Iran don't have nukes- but I would absolutely say "screw the West/screw sanctions" and proceed full steam ahead to get nukes if I were a country that was threatened by the West. It's worth the sanctions to get the security... once you have the nukes- the west will drop the sanctions anyway.
I'll say one thing, the referendum campaign will make the Scottish one look like a tea party.....Think that actually will be interesting if somehow Scotland goes yes to independence.
Now go and do some research on the Jewish Diaspora. You'll then find a group of people ejected from the land now called Palestine. They didn't just up sticks and leave they were ejected. Yes Judaism is a religion. However, many Jews will tell you that to be a true Jew you need to be able to trace your ancestry back to one of the 12 Biblical tribes of Israel. Hence you can follow the Jewish religion without being a Jew. Certainly some Jews became Christians - there wouldn't be a Christian faith if they had not. I also presume that some turned to the Muslim faith. But, if you take a non-Biblical approach to ethnicity then we all originated from Africa so there are no pure races. I'm talking about a people who's history, religion and writings clearly define them as having a direct relationship with the land around Jerusalem. That relationship is corroborated by others. It is therefore reasonable for them to believe that they have a relationship with that land - what they do about that belief is another matter. traditionally Jews who have not returned have a traditional salutation - NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM.
OK - let's completely ignore all scientific knowledge- completely ignore all historical evidence- and assume that the Jewish people that stayed behind in Israel dwindled in numbers from hundreds of thousands to hundreds over the centuries- and pretend they didn't convert to Islam when conquered. Let's stick with the romantic notion that the Jewish people went in exile to Europe, and despite looking just like Europeans (not the Jews back home in the middle east)- they kept their blood pure- and are completely descended from the people of biblical Israel. Heck- why don't we stick with the old story 19thC myth that the English were one of the lost tribes of Israel too... so that we can say they're our cousins. So What? They don't have rights to replace the people then living in Palestine. The fact that their ancestors were grieviously wronged by the ancient ancestors of the Palestines does not grant them any right to remove them from their homes without compensation and set up their own state that is repressive of those people. I am not responsible for any wrongs my ancestors committed on anyone else- nor do I expect any retribution for any wrongs committed to my ancestors by anyone else. Why should Israel/Palestine be any different? Should Americans be forced to return to Europe/Africa- because the Native Americans were there first? Should the English be forced to return to Germany? Even completely ignoring science and history -and sticking with the antiquated story of this pure Jewish race exiled from their homeland that people used to believe 50/60 years ago before we knew better... it doesn't give them any right to turf out the Palestinians. Ultimately... I don't think we're going to agree on this though! Which is OK since neither of us are in a position to make policy there!
