The first column is safe standing, the second is seating, the third are the corporate seats... please log in to view this image You can get a season ticket at Bayern Munich for less than £115.
You have to remember that the German league wages are in general more than 50%+ lower than those paid in the Premiership
I believe Bayern make less than 30,000 available for season passes. This is so a wide range of people have the change to attend. 240,000 fans pay 60euros a season to be on the list giving preference in the draw for tickets. It doesn't quote the price for tickets bought for individual matches but I recall reading these can go up to over 70 euros for the top clubs. I think Arsenal were charged 132 euros for their game against Germany. But Bayern made a fuss and subsidised their fans 70 euros tickets at the Emirates. They had 70,000 applications for tickets for the away game at the Emirates.
Nice Red Top style headline. How many are available for that price? How likely is it that if you applied for one, that you'd get one? Plus, not everyone wants to stand. I know, plastics and tourists eh? Paderborn is surprisingly very expensive, I wonder why that is?
I believe that there are 10,400 safe standing seats at all league games, I've no idea how easy it is to get one.
Calm down ladies, I'm well aware some people want to stand, and I agree having the choice would be awesome. Fingers crossed the FSF can make some headway on this subject. The point there is, a standing season ticket is obviously going to cost less than a sitting one, so saying "Oooo they can get a season ticket for 140 euros!" whilst it's true, isn't really comparable to what we pay is it? Plus they pay to be able to just apply (unless I misunderstood a previous post) not to mention, I suspect there's a lot of people wanting each spot, thus demand far outstrips supply and therefore a lot of people don't get one at that price. Germany does a lot of things around football better than us, and better than anywhere else in the world for that matter, small wonder they're world champions.
They do indeed pay 60euros a year to be able to get a ticket. So, with 240,000 members is over 14million euros before they sell a ticket. And, get away from the low standing prices (and those are the cheaper ones in the corner) and prices range from 35euros for seats behind the goal (45euros for top category matches) to 70euros down the side. Funny how those figures, plus the fact you have to pay 60euros a year to even have a chance of being in a draw for one don't get mentioned as much as the few 115euro season passes. And,most are paying those higher prices as Bayern restrict season passes to about 30,000. The stadium is 10 kilometres from the centre. Some of our fans would be leaving at half time so they wouldn't be late for their tea. Link gives more detailshttp://www.stadiumguide.com/allianz/
Individually? Sure. Gross? No. Odds on getting one? No. 1 outa 3 aint bad is it? Cherry picking elements of something, then comparing it to something different is silly. Yes on its own, decent prices, low chance of getting anything but yeah, low prices, bearing in mind they have 2 or 3 times more of them to sell than we do, so ends up being a much more greater income. Comparing Bayern Muenchen and us is like comparing us and N Ferriby. You can do it, but if doesn't make a lot of sense.
Except only so many get those prices. 240,000 fans pay 60euros each, over 14million euros per season, just for a chance of a ticket ranging from 35euros to 70 euros. Bayern only issue just under 30,000 season passes so 40,000 are paying the higher prices. BTW, there are 13,500 standing places. To put it in context, if City were doing the same we would have just under 10,000 pass holders getting the cheaper prices which would range from £115 to £250, with thousands (pick your own figure) paying £60 a year for the chance of buying a ticket from £35 behind the goal to £70 down the sides. Do you think that would work here? As for an arrangement to include local travel in the ticket price as they do in Germany, what do you reckon the chances would be of the club and council working together?
Also, HT, over 40,000 of the crowd are paying 35 - 70 euro for a ticket. Plus they get over 14million from those paying 60euros a year for the chance of being in the draw for tickets. Only the cheaper ones get quoted. A bit like saying City's season prices start at the discount prices offered to some people, it doesn't reflect what most are paying.
I've not suggested we should adopt their model, but the fact is that you can watch Bayern Munich for a season for £115 and the cheapest you can do it at City is £501. There's 38,760 season ticket holders according to the Bayern website and apparently there's no longer a waiting list, so those who want tickets get them. It seems that quite a lot of people have been put off having one, due their rather draconian rules. If you can't attend a game, you can't give your pass to someone else to use and if you miss several games you get banned. The fact that you have to but an ArenaCard to buy anything in the stadium(which comes with a minimum €10 already on it) also seems to piss a lot of people off. No system is perfect, their pricing is obviously better than ours, as half those who attend games pay less than half of what we do and get to watch some very good football.
And the other half are paying a lot more. Not to mention the get in over 14million from people paying 60euros a season for the chance of a ticket. You could make a headline "Why can you buy a ticket for a Hull City game for £16 down the but it costs £70 for a Bayern one, plus £60 for the chance of getting one?". Like ones making out Bayern is cheaper it is equally true. But like the ones quoting their low prices it doesn't tell the whole story.
Interestingly, only 10,300 of the seats are sold as matchday tickets, the rest are pre-sold to members etc... Capacity Allianz Arena 71,000 Season tickets 38,000 Guest quota 6,700 Fanclub program 10,000 Pre-sale service center / online ticketing 3500 Contract cards 2500 Available matchday tickets 10,300 And it's the corporate seats that generate the really big income, those shown in grey on the plan... please log in to view this image
