Hatem Ben Arfa Ukraine Bid accepted/Fat Fine

what part isn't his fault ?

 

To pick just one, being played in the wrong position. Hard to create goals when covering the full back in defence.

 

Hard to create goals in any circumstance when we are defending and don't have the ball. Ben Arfa is best used on the wing as it's the only area where he can find space and express himself. Whenever he's been put through the centre he just gets marked out the game. Even if he was playing the number 10 role he's still have to defend. He's just a lazy bastard and I really don't know why some fans can't acknowledge that.

 

Ben Arfa and Pardew are both equally at blame.

Pardew humiliated Ben Arfa at times last season, Southampton away comes to mind when he hooked Ben Arfa off at half time when he'd worked harder than Gouffran and just as hard as every player on the pitch. You then have that in the first 10 games Pardew played Ben Arfa LM, RM, AM, False 9 and both left and right of a front three. Regardless of attitude and professionalism, no player on the planet could find the right level of consitency being asked to play in that many positions.

So the above are faults of Pardew.

Ben Arfa's faults are being over weight, not a team player, ball greedy, ill disciplined, disrupts team harmony. Being over weight is pretty much unforgiveable.

If we had a different manager I'd be inclined to keep Ben Arfa, not because I blame Pardew, just because their relationship is clearly past the point of repair. Under a different manager Ben Arfa might improve his behaviour, fitness etc (althought how long this would last for is anyone's guess).

I'm in the camp of getting a buzz every time I see he's in our line up. I like to be entertained and he's a player that can do that. I was the same with Martins, not because he was decent (because he wasn't), but because he and the team could both be playing sh*te and then bang, out of nowhere you're back in the game (Spurs away, Watford home).

In all honesty it's best for both the club and Ben Arfa if he just leaves now. Hopefully we can pick up a nominal fee of between 2-4 million and hopefully he can go on to become the player he could be at a different club (just not in England).

 

Always been one to stick up for Marveaux and Ben Arfa. That is until tonight, having not been selected to go to New Zealand they should be playing for the next team down who were at Gateshead, neither bothered to play. If they were committed or bothered about being fit I would have thought you go to Gateshead and try to prove the manager wrong.

 

They refused to play? I thought them being left out would have just been down to the coaching staff having given up on them and planning to sell them.

 

It appears HBA hasn't even been allocated a team number for this season . That's Pardew telling him to F..k Off.

 

I think that's the normal response to "**** you".

 

poor man management IMHO.
His value is almost zero now.

 

Can't prove the manager wrong when you're not selected to play. Even for the reserves. Dear me.

Anyone backing pardew in this are way off.

 

Got to agree with this 100% it's a very poor position indeed. Pardew should never have allowed the situation to come to this. We have a truly gifted player who is going to rot, l was going to say on the bench, but it doesn't look like Bennie will get that far. If he is no longer wanted at the club for whatever reason, that's fine, but to handle the whole saga in this way has rendered him worthless. This is poor management and surely didn't need to come to this. No one is going to win, it's simply lose, lose all round. Shocking

 

What's confusing here is that we know mike is buying players to hopefully get a selling fee in the future, but it seems like pardew has been given carte blanche to freeze benni out and reduce his value to a pittance..or is pardew acting of his own accord here even though he is deemed spineless by many of our fans (sometimes warranted) but now he's taken a strong stance (which depending on what's happened, itself may be warranted). Then its bad man management?

The fact that bennis value wil likely have potentially plummeted and cashley seemingly doesn't care does seem to indicate that his and marveauxs antics have proved so disruptive that pardew is right to practically kick them out of the club..or maybe its that any bids for him were so low due to his injury and allegedly disruptive and ball greedy lazy ways ( he irritates the fck out of me) that mike really doesn't give a toss either way. But then when didn't mike care about money, any money. His backing of pardew here is quite telling imo

 

Entitled to your opinion, personally I think the exact opposite. I can't understand why anyone wants HBA at this football club. Absolute waste of wages and time. We have better options now who will act professionally, we need to shift him ASAP.

Freezing him out does nto affect his value in my opinion. His value was zero anyway because of his antics, as evidenced by the fact he is known to be available on the open market and only one Ukranian club has been rumoured to show any interest. Its ok thinking Pardew is wrong, it is somewhat stretching it to think the whole of the footballing world is wrong and his previous managers. I'm not sure what evidence people are looking for, this is as obvious as OJ or Pistorious for me!

Marveaux - I can only assume something has gone on behind the scenes as it does seem a bit harsh on him. Personally I don't rate him very highly and think he lacks the stones for football in England. Its too quick and physical for him. However we have never been told he has done anything wrong unlike HBA. Maybe it is just a case of us biting the bullet, realising they have no value on the market, and trying to shed huge wages (I'd imagine its not a kick in the arse off 100k a week between the two)

Overall I reckon Pardew and the owner are bang on for once.

 

There are two possibilities:

1. Pardew (and I think we must assume Ashley) have concluded that HBA is beyond any possibility of redemption. HBA has had a disruptive effect on team morale. Excluding him at least re-enforces that it is the manager who is in charge and also excludes the disruption;

2. HBA thinks he can do what he likes because he has been an asshole before and there has always been someone willing to let him play his schoolball football and feed his ego. Pardew and Ashley think that if they show him he's wrong (that no one in the world wants him to play for them and that he is not getting a game here while he is pouting) maybe something will seep through his thick ego and he will start behaving like a professional footballer. I suspect that a month's graft in training will see him get a shot at the reserves and another month would get him a shot on the bench.

Don't see what else you could really do.

 

I don't think there is never a way back in football. If HBA took option 2 then I'm sure they would eventually relent. I can't see it happening but I do think Pardew is like most managers and a bit soft with modern footballers. It is always tempting when they have ability afterall. I do think though this can only end one way - him leaving. He has never been the type to show humility and back down. Therefore he has to go.

 

None of us really know what has gone on behind the scenes so I'm not going to play the blame game. What I do know though is it's a sad situation to be in. It's a shame it didn't work out at Newcastle.

I can see the club doing the same thing with HBA as they did with Barton and let him go for free.

I'll be gutted if he goes to a new club in the Premier League and started playing to his potential. I would be pleased for him if it happened abroad though.

 

I never forgot De champs comment when Hatem forced his move that he didn't want to be responsible for ruining his career.he then got his leg broken and Pardew got a job.