o/t another Malay plane downed

Wasn't that from the US intelligence that Blair wrongly believed?

 

Nope it was what Blair wanted us to believe.

Why no Americans on flight mh17?, what would the Russians gain from downing the flight? Why no mention of Ukrainian missile system movements (the rebels have no planes), no mention of why the protesters in Kiev where shot from behind whilst facing government troops

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_...nd-police-were-Ukrainians-media-reports-9449/ (videos available online), when has Putin ever suggested that he wants to expand?, why would the Russians kill the polish president?. So many questions, no answers

Then again...It's easier to believe the crap and blame the Russians.

 

It's looking more and more likely that it was mistook for a Ukrainian cargo plane by pro Russian rebels. However, I will keep an open mind until more evidence comes to light.

 

Or the Ukrainian government looking to create a situation and turn the world against the Russians?

 

I don't buy that one..Especially now that messages have been found with the rebels bragging about downing a cargo plane..

 

And you know 100% that those messages were Russians and not made up by Ukrainians? That recording is another Too Convenient thing.

 

Nearly all these conspiracy theories turn out to be just that..

 

Handy!

 

I can't see us coming to any agreement over this one mate..

 

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Yeah that's the one. I tend to use that for the news so I can see what's really going on and not what our media want us to believe is happening.

 

Oooohkay, let's break this down real quick, what we can safely assume here with reasonable surety:

- civilian aircraft shot down over rebel held territory
- Missile system captured and paraded in the last few weeks by seperatists in the region
- Missile system involved has a limited range
- Ukrainian missile defence has not been active at all, because they weren't fighting any air assets.
- Ukrainian planes already shot down in recent weeks by seperatists.

Yeah, this looks much too obvious. It has to be a setup. When something sounds like a horse, smells like a horse, looks like a horse, it's always actually a zebra.

Like I said, you're a complete cookie. Were there any jewish people on board? Hold on? Why not? Well, hell, it's clear then, the israelis blew this out of the sky so they could invade gaza for the 20th over.

Now: incrimininating:

- Rebel commanders and russia security officers discussing the downing of a transport craft in the area on recorded phone lines, there's mention of an indonesian students documents, and exact location of the debris
- Rebels first on the scene, Ukrainian government loyal forces nowhere to be seen, because they aren't operating in the area.
- US satelites all over this joint. You can safely assume the americans will produce a radar or even video of the missile launch and the approximate location of the launcher.


You cookie, your president died in a plane crash due to bad weather. Who is 'blaming' the russians? Not the russians, just Putin and his leadership. Putin shares responsibility for this due to his maverick political adventures meddling in the internal affairs of the the Ukraine. The sling has come round full circle and smacked him in the gob.

 

A cookie is a biscuit! I'm not polish so he wasn't my president. And all the evidence now has been presented by the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are and we're mobilising the same missile systems as has been alleged used by the russian separatists. Even though the russian separatists have no aircraft! But us intel won't tell you and your naive mates that!

 

There could very well have been US citizens on the flight, but by chance there wasn't, even then there was a fair mix of nationalities. Anyone based in Europe would use a local or Asian airline to reach SE Asia. Flying direct from America they would cross the Pacific from east coast or over the north pole for west coast flights.

 

You waded in yesterday ridiculing half of the members who had posted on the thread, what on earth makes you assume anybody is gonna give a **** what you've got to say? At least clean your mess up before trying to get involved in the debate, they're a forgiving bunch around here, decent lads who will show you the same respect you give them.

 

Handy

 

Or maybe the mighty Poland have set all this up so they can storm in and take over the world?

 

Just out of curiosity, do you also believe that man has never landed on the moon and that the USA were to blame for crashing the planes into the Twin Towers?

 

Maybe Ukrainians have nothing to hide and their deployed missiles were for a Russian low level threat. US intel has release plenty by categorically stating the plane was shot down by a SAM. They will have tracked them via satellite or drone, just a question of backtracking now to pinpoint where it came from.

So far only rhetoric coming out of Russia.

 

Read a bit more on European history mate and you'll see that my opinion is in fact valid. The polish commonwealth was a Hugh superpower in Central Europe just incase you didn't know. The Ukrainians now are being led by the poles and Ukrainians with polish roots. Or maybe I'm making that up