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Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Masanari, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    You are totally missing my point. If you read my earlier post I said I would be glad if the other teams were closer to Mercedes..well or who ever is at the front. The point I am making is that simply banning the FRIC isn't necessarily going to make a massive difference at the front. Red Bull also uses the system and about all the other teams... If removing it from Mercs affect them it will also affect the others too. But somehow I doubt very much that it will make a massive impact on Mercedes. The have a very powerful engine and it seems the car is very complete, so the FIA has to come with something entirely different..I agree with SGT....they need to open up engine development and give everybody a better chance to get it right in season. Thats the point I was making.
     
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  2. BamalamaFizzVaj

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    as i've said, the damage was already done when they decided to go with this brainless selection of rules changes, literally all of which seem to have conveniently benefited Mercedes and/or damaged their main opposition. Now they have an even bigger mess than they had with Red Bull, to the point that they don't think they can even let this season play out any longer in it's current form. They've ended up giving Mercedes such an advantage in multiple areas of the car that there is no quick-fix for this mess, and personally i think things like success ballast and turbo reduction are now on the cards, just what F1 needs.
     
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  3. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    The current format wasn't brought in to bring about the downfall of RBR... It was in the pipeline for years and it certainly wasn't dreamed up to gift Mercedes a title.

    The problem is that they are now facing another era of domination that isn't helping the dwindling viewership problem that's been going on for years now.

    The problem with F1 is that there's always the possibility of one team dominating. You can see it all across the history of the sport. The only way to really make them truly equal is to turn them in to Indy Cars and just pull parts off shelves... At which point, we may all just watch Indy. :)

    I just think development and testing is just way too restrictive these days, so if a team/manufacturer gets it wrong, there's little hope of catching up throughout the season. I also think the technical regs are way too restrictive and leave little room for clever innovation.

    They'll likely restrict Mercedes to close the field, and it may fix things in the short-term. But it's not going to fix what's wrong with the sport right now or the dwindling viewership.
     
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  4. allsaintchris.

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    <doh>

    Why do people think these rules were brought in just for Mercedes?
     
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  5. eddie_squidd

    eddie_squidd Well-Known Member

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    What a sensible and well thought out post. Stop it!
     
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  6. allsaintchris.

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  7. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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  8. LewisF12014

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    If it was intense like this then yes. Even though I am a Hamilton fan, I found 2012 to be a fantastic season even though he wasn't really in the title battle with Sebastian and Fernando.
     
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    please log in to view this image


    Sexy boy is a married man.
     
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  10. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    He looks lovely in a dress!
     
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  11. Mark Blow

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    What an appalling photograph
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    It's not that bad.. He still managed to squeeze the sponsors MASSIVE watch in. :p
     
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  13. dhel

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    Is it a cellphone in his hand? NOoooooooo...you cant be holding you bride with one hand and have a cellphone in the other.. lol
     
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  14. Go-Bates-Go

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    The Technical regulations state, and I quote :

    2.5 New systems or technologies :
    Any new system, procedure or technology (FRIC?) not specifically covered by these regulations, but which is deemed permissible by the FIA Formula One Technical Department, will only be admitted until the end of the Championship during which it is introduced. Following this the Formula One Commission will be asked to review the technology concerned and, if they feel it adds no value to Formula One in general, it will be specifically prohibited.
    Any team whose technology is prohibited in this way will then be required to publish full technical details of the relevant system or procedure.

    Notice the sentence "will only be admitted until the END of the Championship during which it is introduced.

    Their own regulations say it should stay till the end of the season. As for the "deemed permissible" statement, surely as this technology has been used and allowed for 9 races so far, it therefore must be deemed permissible.

    I cannot see how the FIA can change the whole concept of their own regulations part way through the season. Then again this IS the FIA we are talking about.
     
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  15. allsaintchris.

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    If you read it very carefully, it says 'until the end of the Championship during which it is introduced. As you say, it has been around for some 9 years or so, therefore the year it was introduced was the only year it was allowed! It's the FIA being very sneaky and being able to ban it mid-season as it wasn't introduced this year.
     
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    It also says ' Following this the Formula One Commission will be asked to review the technology concerned and, if they feel it adds no value to Formula One in general, it will be specifically prohibited.'
    So if they followed their rules at the end of the first season of FRIC the Formula One Commission reviewed the technology and did not 'specifically prohibit' it! So by default if not specifically prohibited it must be legal!!!!

    From the little bit of of the rules above it's easy to see how teams 'interpret' the rules so differently.
     
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  17. allsaintchris.

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    ha ha, very true! So which part of the regulation takes precedence!?

    As you say, easy to see why there are so many different ways to interpret rules
     
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  18. SgtBhaji

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    That's so vague that I think they could pull the plug on it if they so wished.

    Do we know when they're going to make a decision on this and the potential nerfing of the Merc hybrid system? Germany is coming up fast!
     
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  19. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Knowing the FIA they'll deem that after FP3 is suitable notice, and once teams finally adapt they'll change the rules back again <ok>
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Can they just outlaw the cars entirely and decided the championship with a fist fight?

    I'd have a fiver on Kimi!
     
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