I told Ernie to stop living in WW2 with his anti-german sentiments so he decided to threaten me with a beating, which is what usually happens when someone scores a direct hit, so I decided to explain how it came about, how his generation were bombarded for decades with anti-German propaganda, which went on from 1880 (crimean war) until around the mid 60's, the last thirty years of which we got the hang of it, now we use some of the techniques for advertising. Of course the human reaction is to instantly and indignantly deny that they are susceptible to any form of mind control, despite there being incontrivertible proof, but the fact is the only people who are immune are people high on the Autism scale, and it's very very easy, as Derren Brown proves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMropN6ft4Y simon Pegg being brain ****ed in 5 minutes http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/141580/Derren_Brown__The_Heist_Mind_Control/ this one is my favourite
ah okay. was getting confused as to whether you were slating xenophobic behavior, just explaining what it was, or saying that you yourself were xenophobic. This is far too deep for an F1 forum!
Have seen a ton of comments (some here, some elsewhere) saying Ricciardo was lucky to beat Vettel because of strategy and yet none of them can detail what either of their strategies actually were. Dan/RBR got it wrong in Saturday (a joint call contrary to popular belief). Vettel lost three spots at the start, Ric gained one. They both changed tires to Hards in the red flag and Vettel threw his away very early for Mediums - a two-stop strategy then. Ricciardo did the same a couple laps later with the team having the intention of also going for a two-stop. Both in clear air, after these stops Ricciardo took a good four net seconds out of Vettel. About twenty laps later, Vettel's mediums started going so he came in, and came out in front of Alonso (for some reason people think it as the other way around). Alonso on older Mediums passed him and so Vettel obviously became unable to pass him although when he did eventually pass him he started going roughly 1.5 seconds per lap faster than Alonso so he really should have gotten it done sooner. They planned on doing to Ric what they had done with Vet, but Ric said that they should give it more time on the mediums and look at their options from there - RBR had little info on his long run pace because of a supposed turbo failure in FP2. He then kept a pace consistent with Alonso and Button until his tires hit the cliff in the last two or three laps; I fail to see what's lucky about making your own important strategic decisions and dragging a set of medium tires to twice their life expectancy, nor do I see in this where Vettel was so desperately unlucky. Sorry, rant over.
I thought he drove a very solid race, it just seemed some drivers lucked into their strategy because the compounds behaved differently in the race than they thought. Ultimatley he made the strategy work and deserved his position.
His race was fine, but as I said earlier and RR has mentioned again, he screwed himself with a poor start. Being stuck behind the McLaren's probably gave him excessive tyre wear and could have forced a change from their original strategy of running in clean air behind the Mercedes. No bad luck there, just a bad start.
I couldn't be bothered to go back over the Xenophobia rubbish so have no idea what it is about. If it is about the pit stops being consistently quicker for Nico and slower for Lewis then it is beginning to look a bit repetitive. I for for one will be watching because it shouldn't be consistently different, the odd one yes but it could now begin to form the basis of a conspiracy theory which Mercedes need to squash by getting it right. However, with 50 points on offer in the last race there are 14 points for the difference between 1 and 2 and that offers an easy out if conspiracy is the name of the game. I really don't rule out that commercially it would be better for a German company to have a German racing driver win, after Schumacher, Vettel and Mercedes and Rosberg WDC would be attractive. Do I think there could be some other reason, who knows, I have lived a lot and worked globally since 1982. In that time I have seen both behaviours so nothing would surprise me but you hope not. People typically back thier own tho, it happens. I am watching, I am not Xenophobic but my trust has to been earned.
Comment by Miggins “The largest gap between Hamilton and Rosberg was 5.9 seconds, 1 lap before Rosberg reported his gearbox problem, so why are people saying he was quickly catching him up, when he wasn't.” Lewis Hamilton was gaining on Nico Rosberg from lap 9 onwards. After NR's pit stop he was faster than LH on fresh rubber until lap 19 where LH was considerably faster on the slower tyre. The gear box problem did not have any effect on NR's lap times until lap 28. Check the times yourself at http://184.106.145.74/f1-championsh..._09_GBR_F1_R0_Timing_RaceHistoryChart_V01.pdf
They expected a safety car and pulled him in early, (Gutierrez Maldonado incident, I think) this is where he was unlucky. As for Vettel not being able to get passed, Alonso should've been penalised for his double move around copse, which hasn't been allowed since Monza 2011 according to the rules (which were so conveniently ignored for the good of the show numerous times yesterday). It's quite clear that RBR are favouring Ricciardo this year, what with two pit-stop strategies that have put Ricciardo in front of Vettel and his numerous mechanical problems
seriously? you are going to use stats that show Rosberg 2 laps ahead on lap 23 as incontrivertible proof? LOL.
Although it was a bad start, you could argue he was unlucky the race wasn't restarted like it should have been. There's no doubt in my mind that it wasn't simply to help Hamilton out at his home track.
The stats do not show NR 2 laps ahead of anyone. The lap chart shows car 4 as being in front of NR but 2 laps behind the lead car on the road.
oh, I got the numbers the wrong way around, can you find me a clip of Hamilton, the lead car, being 2 laps ahead of Rosberg on lap 23 then please, as I can't remember either of the Mercedes' being lapped once, let alone twice. yep, for the good of the show, although tbh, for that start he deserved it.
Hamilton only gained two places on the initial start, and doubt it would have made much difference with the superiority of the Mercedes. Personally all this **** about the FIA favouring one driver in the field is just a load of nonsense. It would have been better for the 'spectacle' to get Hamilton to fight his way through from a restart. If the other drivers had come out and complained then it may have some substance, but as its only a few guys on an internet forum having a moan it's easily ignored.
What on earth are you on about? You are deliberatley mis reading the info. On lap 23 the order of cars on the road was as follows Race leader car 44 car 4 2 laps behind car 6 14.62 secs behind the lead car The information quite clearly shows lap times and each cars gap to the lead car. You simply do not understand the facts.
Not according to Horner - the early stops were an attempt to undercut the McLarens. Although I have heard some say the track eventually rubbered in to suit the hards towards the later part of the race and Red Bull didn't care for the pace of their harders tires that early in the race. No idea how much basis that has however. I can't find any videos showing it. Can you give me a video as to specifically what move from Alonso you're talking about? Care to explain why they'd do that? Again, care to clarify on that? If you're referring to Canada Vettel had a poor out-lap in the second stop and Ricciardo had a very good in-lap and that allowed him to jump Vettel. Heaven forfend I mention the "W" name here so I'll just stick to this year. I suppose we'll conveniently forget the DSQ and the bungled pitstop in Malaysia and the subsequent penalties that came with it. Ricciardo's also had some gearbox gremlins over practice sessions throughout this season and the turbo failure this weekend in FP2 cost him a lot of running time. Bad luck is bad luck, no matter what way you spray it and while Vettel has had a lot of serious mechanical dramas, Ricciardo's had his fair share of team blunders as well that have gone quite unnoticed apparently.
Hamilton's last pit stop was even slower..lol...I don't think that it's something deliberate..what I think though they need to investigate and solve it. Maybe the wheel nut guy or the wheel nut of itself whatever they need to sort it out. I really don't think it was the positioning of the car this time as Hamilton would have made an effort to get that right... But why was the last stop that much slower..maybe because of the time he had on hand?
British Grand Prix pit stop times How long each driver’s pit stops took, Max Chilton’s very long pit stop was due to the fact he came into the pits when the race was red-flagged and stayed their until it resumed over an hour later. Driver Team Pit stop time Gap On lap 1 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 28.329 18 2 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 28.483 0.154 15 3 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 28.558 0.229 10 4 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 28.575 0.246 35 5 Jenson Button McLaren 28.645 0.316 28 6 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso. 28.700 0.371 14 7 Kevin Magnussen McLaren 28.745 0.416 27 8 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 28.787 0.458 33 9 Pastor Maldonado Lotus 28.831 0.502 26 10 Valtteri Bottas Williams 29.104 0.775 31 11 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 29.291 0.962 41 12 Kamui Kobayashi Caterham 29.507 1.178 18 13 Kamui Kobayashi Caterham 29.540 1.211 29 14 Nico Hulkenberg Force India 29.579 1.250 29 15 Sergio Perez Force India 29.599 1.270 26 16 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 29.679 1.350 24 17 Romain Grosjean Lotus 29.710 1.381 30 18 Max Chilton Marussia 29.737 1.408 29 19 Adrian Sutil Sauber 29.956 1.627 23 20 Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 30.218 1.889 27 21 Jules Bianchi Marussia 30.353 2.024 29 22 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 34.410 6.081 25 23 Max Chilton Marussia 3707.606 3679.277 1 2014 British Grand Prix
Strangely enough I don't think I have exhibited anti German sentiment other than in regard to Schumacher who I simply disliked, we run two German cars a VW and Audi, a Corsa, a KA and my wife drives an MGTF and I drive a very quick Impreza, now if that's not being comfortable with Johnny Foreigner I don't know what is !! All manufacturers nationalities implicated in WW2 in some way or another. Just think though why the league of nations decided not to allow Germany to have its own armed forces. I still work full-time for the largest food company on the planet although well past 65, and work every day with all European nationalities and I can categorically state that the Germans are the most difficult to work with, but ultimately produce the best equipment, we have had some very lively meetings when things are not going their way.
