you're welcome to go and read the topic http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/266440-F1-needs-our-help
what's wrong with the world today sits squarely at the feet of your generation, the generation of Enoch Powell and xenophobic hysteria, my generation have the task of trying to fix it, although that's going to be difficult until your generation has gone from the halls of power and with them the institutional racism that plagues us, which is part your generations legacy to us, that together with a planet that will probably be inhospitable to life before some posters on here reach their natural end. Thanks . As for me being the epitome of what's wrong in the world and why we can't coexist is hilariously ironic, if I added up the amount of different nationalities I've lived with over the years it would probably be close to a hundred, and I got on perfectly fine with nearly every one of them, regardless of race or religion, mainly because they were all roughly my age and generation and weren't stuck in an ancient past of nationalitic prejudice
My mum is of "that generation" and is one of the least prejudice or xenophobic people you could ever meet. You can't just blanket label a generation as being either this or that.
in my original post I put 'most', and that is the case, most of them are, even my mum, who wouldn't normally say a bad word against anyone slips into it now and again, most notably after the riots in 2011. This was a generation bombarded with xenophobic and anti-German propaganda on an unprecedented scale that has never been repeated in Britain to the extremes of the forties, fifties and sixties, and it has left an indelible mark on the psyche of MOST of them, it is nearly impossible that it hasn't as 90% of all people are highly susceptible to it, and once it's in there it'll be there forever unless you take active measures to remove it (self-hypnosis for example). If it didn't work why the f**k would any government bother with it? They would save the money and make bombs instead. Then, of course, you have the inbuilt genetic xenophobia common to almost every single living organism on Earth, without which life would have died out within seconds of coming into existence, denying it doesn't change anything, accepting that it's true means you can actually do something to break the thought processes and change the programming, but most people don't have the balls to admit the truth to themselves, let alone other people, and so leave the genetic xenophobia programming in their heads for their whole lives. if you want to know what an unaware Xenophobe looks like, stand at traffic lights, if the man is red and the road clear it will be all those who stay waiting for the green man to flash, they can't help it.
I don't get xenophobia, I don't understand racism... I just can't judge a person on their colour, national origin or their sexual or religious preference. It's just not in me, and for that I thank my mother and my grandparents. So I can't understand how it can be programmed in to people, though it can possibly be taught. We all have our flaws, regardless of origin... or what generation we were born in.
This was before Rosberg complained of the gearbox problem... The gap was down to 2.7 secs before Rosberg's pitstop. Wouldn't you say Hamilton was catching Rosberg? Remember they were almost 6 seconds apart when Hamilton disposed of Button to move into second spot. Now if you subtract 2.7 from 6 you should see clearly that Hamilton was quickly catching Rosberg before there was any report of a gearbox problem. Then Hamilton's pitstop was almost 2 seconds slower than Rosberg's so he came back out just over 5 seconds behind Rosberg if his pitstop was about the some as Rosberg he would have quickly been into DRS range as Hamilton was quickly up to speed setting fastest laps with the hard tyre, they seemed to be working well for him. And yes I was watching the race from the start...were you? This is not any hamelot crap you jump into, those are just the race facts. Rosberg explained that his issues first arose after the first round of stops and that he tried everything to keep going. 13:27 Rosberg ups the ante - but Hamilton is relentless. A personal best lap cuts the gap to 3.9s. 13:28 Hulkenberg adds to Force India that "the high-speed understeer is killing us". He's still holding off Kvyat for eighth, with Vettel catching them after his early pitstop. 13:28 Meanwhile, Bottas is only 1.5s behind Button now for third - by they are almost half a minute behind the Mercedes. 13:28 Kvyat pits at the end of lap 14. 13:29 Alonso can take that stop-go penalty during his pitstop, so he's not going to tumble out of the points with that. But it's not ideal and puts a podium further out of reach. 13:29 Perez manages to pass both Maldonado and Bianchi to move into 14th. 13:29 Speak of the devil, Alonso dives down the inside of Magnussen at Stowe to take fifth. 13:29 Ricciardo makes his first pitstop. 13:29 Vettel overtakes Hulkenberg for eighth into Stowe. 13:29 Hamilton just 3.5s behind Rosberg now - fascinating duel at the front, who will blink first in the pits? 13:30 The Gutierrez/Maldonado collision will be investigated after the race. 13:30 Bottas within DRS range of Button now, 0.7s away from a podium position from 14th on the grid. 13:30 Ricciardo rejoins just behind the yet-to-stop Sutil in 10th. 13:31 A new fastest lap for Hamilton - 1m38.554s - gets the gap to 3.1s. 13:31 BOTTAS. Round the outside of Button at Stowe. 13:31 "Vettel ahead is on a two-stop anyway Nico, so let's settle down and try to make this one work," is Force India's message to Hulkenberg - who is presumably one-stopping then. 13:32 That was so easy for Bottas - he cruises up to the back of the McLaren down the Hangar Straight, Button defends, so Bottas just moves to the outside and sweeps around the outside. That's a move he's practiced to perfection. 13:32 "Push hard now, Nico" - "You're the fastest man on track, Lewis". Game on at Mercedes. 13:32 Maldonado finally makes it past Bianchi for 15th. Just Kobayashi and Chilton behind Bianchi now. 13:32 Ricciardo slips past Sutil for ninth into Stowe. 13:32 And the gap is just 2.7s between the leaders as Hamilton takes another chunk of time out of his team-mate's advantage. 13:33 Alonso immediately closing in on Button now the Brit has dropped to fourth, 1.6s between them. 13:34 Rosberg pits - "it's hammer time," Merc tells Hamilton. 13:34 The gap was about 2.7s before Rosberg stopped. 13:35 Alonso is already within DRS range of Button. Stellar pace from the Ferrari by comparison.
xenophobia is the way of the natural world, it's why one tribe of meerkats will attack another on sight, it's why ants and coral commit genocide at nearly every opportunity, it's why chimpanzies kill and eat chimpanzees from another tribe, it's as inbuilt as breathing, it's the cause of fight or flight, an instinct that has been with us since before the dawn of man, denying it won't change it, the only thing that can is evolution, unless you are the next stage in human evolution, and being as you are a Mansell fan, I have my doubts on that score, then it's in you just as it is in me, there are levels of suppression, but it's inescapably there. As to not understanding as to how a brain can be programmed, how do you think you learn? the same way a computer does, by being programmed. The Brain is basically nothing more than a biochemical computer which is constantly being reprogrammed through various stimuli, mainly kinetic , visual and aural, and, to someone who knows what they're doing, the manipulation of a person can be done with a speed and effectiveness that's truly frightening, watch some Derren Brown, I'd recommend The Heist, or maybe Simon Pegg, see how easily manipulated people can be. Ernies generation have been bombarded with anti-german propaganda for sixty plus years, do you seriously think they remain unaffected? Our generation has had Islamaphobia for just over a decade now and it causes stampedes on trains when someones lap-top goes bang.
Somebody fearing being blown up on a train isn't xenophobia, it's fear of a threat brought about by real events. It just natural... People can be suspicious of any other person until establishing they're not a threat, that's just survival.
It's also Xenophobia, if you didn't have it you'd walk up to a lion with a big smile on your face and try to hug it, but your inbuilt xenophobia tells you to fear it first. Propaganda taps into this.
If I'm suspicious of a white, English male on public transport that I think may be a threat... That's not xenephobia. If I then replace his nationality, to say Algerian, and I'm still suspicious, that's not automatically xenephobia. If I'm unsure of all Algerians, then I might just be xenephobic. But if we're taking it to the extreme, you could argue we all are... but we're talking about it making us discriminatory against other nations, colors, etc.
I get your point, but we're talking in the sense that some people may for example hate all things German, because they've been taught to.
yes, because that inherent fear has been manipulated to create the desired effect. Do you remember the Atlanta bombing and it's immediate aftermath? Who did the Americans instantly blame? who did the mobs attack? Who did the police arrest? The arabs had absolutely f**k all to do with it, but the anti-islamic propaganda that had been going on since the Iranians decided they wanted to keep their own oil or sell it for a fair price did it's job. Still doing it's job, how many dead Iraqi children lie at the feet of the American people? A million? more? here's what it does, 2.50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woQLVZ7ZCFU when I first saw it, I didn't laugh, I just felt terribly sad because it's the way of man, people deny it and pretend to themselves it's only a minority and they are above it, but the truth is sadly the opposite. I think I'm about the only person on this board with the balls to admit I have prejudices, but everyone has them, they just aren't self aware enough to admit it to themselves, or fear being 'outed'
ah, it's just a scene from Borat. Ironically the best example of how effective propaganda can be in heightening xenophobia is probably the affect almost twenty years of anti-semetic propaganda the Nazi's put out had on the Germans attitude towards the Jews, to the point they came to believe they weren't even human. anyway, enjoy the film
xenophobia Line breaks: xeno|pho¦bia Pronunciation: /zɛnəˈfəʊbɪəXenophobia - Intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries Sorry Miggins, I have to question what you actually think Xenophobia is, as I can't see how either of these examples you picked have anything to do with Xenophobia. yet, you're apparent dislike for Hamilton and Webber, and the way you constantly attack them for no apparent reason i.e. they have done nothing wrong to you personally, could in fact be classed as Xenophobia. I'm not saying you are, but I find it slightly odd your stance on Xenophobia now you have talked about now in great length, when you demonstrate all the characteristics of it yourself.
The human world today is what it is simply because humans possess a natural fear of anything unknown to them, just the same as any other creature on this planet, fundamentally we are just creatures with base animal instincts. Its all about survival, Staying alive, Food, Sex, basically when we encounter "something" we don't understand or is not familiar we question "somethings" motives, is "something" going to hurt me, eat me, f**k me, put simply survival or procreation, no amount of education or dialogue or religious belief or skin colour or hair style or whatever will ever change that. Your inane absurd belief that my generation had any influence on the way the base human population behaves or that your generation will be able to effect fundamental change, is incomprehensible.
Disappointing race for me, but happy for Lewis and the championship - gutted for Nico and that we were robbed of a race. It's clear that the others are way off the Mercs and even the Williams which is worrying. Very happy for JB and a very solid drive from Ric. It was great that Alonso and Vettel entertained us all on the track and on the radio. I thought Mag did a pretty decent job as well.
