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Mental health problems ; irrational fears

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Hash., Jul 1, 2014.

  1. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I'm ok with it, not bad at all so will continue my unhealthy lifestyle for now.

    More down my street.

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  2. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    Good news that<ok> People can use them to get over the hump as it were but I am of the opinion that munching them indefinitely is not a good thing, in most cases, there are always exceptions.

    Always best to address the root cause rather than paper over the cracks.
     
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  3. Redbrynner

    Redbrynner Well-Known Member

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    I went through the lot to find one that gave me limited side effects. Mitazipine, cyprimidil and now Sertraline. I hope to be off them one day but just cant function normally without them currently. Im pretty anti pill also but needs must I guess
     
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  4. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Quit the name calling, posts have been edited. :)
     
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  5. Tobes

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    There isn't always a psychological root cause, mental health isn't that black and white.

    Chemical imbalance in the brain is the ultimate root cause.
     
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  6. Redbrynner

    Redbrynner Well-Known Member

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    Very true. My dr has told me that I have to take them as someone with a thyroid problem would take thyroxine. I hope he is wrong and one day I can be pill free
     
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  7. Bluesky9

    Bluesky9 Philosopher

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    I wrote on one of the numerous threads last week that the Mental health issue is really the key to understanding what is happening and that I feel these saying he is just an animal are way off the mark. My belief is that he is unable to control himself when either under extreme stress or extreme excitement. His behaviour is reminiscent of toddlers more than animals as animals bite mainly in defence or to kill prey.

    The issue in my opinion does mean he has to stop playing football as the only way to prevent him biting is to take him out of situations in which it manifests. What needs understanding is that he has no control over himself at the times these bites happen and once that is recognised you can give up all hope of the self restraint idea. If he were able to exercise restraint he would have done so in front of countless millions of viewers and in the most important international he has likely played in. If I am correct in that the stimulus is over excitement or extreme stress it is not a case of he may bite again, but a case of he will as high pressure football matches will always provide him the environment for the trigger. he needs to stop playing, but this will never happen of course because he is so good.

    The greatest blight on Luis Suraz in my opinion is not his biting, as this he cannot help, it is his attempts at avoidance of responsibility and acceptance, together with his countrymen. I am almost more ashamed of his team mates and coach for trying to say that something the whole world saw didn't happen, that's the tragedy.
     
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  8. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    chemical imbalance... I don't know about mental health but I've "seen" the consequences on others. I do kind of beleive that if docotrs and others could diagnose which issues are indeed chemical imbalance and which are not it'd be good.

    For example we have a kid who saw one of her friends at school commit suicide. I am sure that lad was depressed and a visit to the GP might have saved him. Equally we know of young kids that doctors throw bad kid pills at and have every type of ADh... x,y,z illnesses for and i wonder really... god are they really all the same thing. I dunno.

    Its really hard to see the facts as every case i'm sure is different.

    all I know is when the doctors tried to tell me to take a stomach pill for heart burn for the rest of my life i said F that. (different i know) I just stopped eating x or y and no issue now. I hate how different doctors just have different opinions totally as well. Must be a nightmare if you are trying to get help with an issue that really you don't even want to talk about?
     
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  9. Tobes

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    That's exactly right mate. The brain is merely an organ like any other, but vastly more complicated!

    There's an awful social stigma attached to mental health issues in this country, caused by many years of misunderstanding and inappropriate care.

    I used to describe anti depressants as like being wrapped in cotton wool. They removed the peaks and troughs from day to day existence and just provide a more even keel for the patient. Some people can slowly come off them over time, others remain on them for years. Everyone's different <ok>
     
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  10. Redbrynner

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    Think alot of mentsl health issues are caused by yhe vast changes that have occurred in the world over the last 150 years. Evoluionary changes should come from changes in the environment. But the living environment has changed so drastically over the kast century that evoltion obviously has not changed us to fit the environment. Basicalky we are not designed to sit behind a desk sll day. This is why the basics: fresh air exercise bslanced diet and complete rest are imperative to curing mental health issues. In my opinion
     
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    Not saying basics is always rnough. But its a good place to stsrt
     
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  12. Livtor

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    You deleted my asterisks? <laugh>. ******.
     
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  13. Tobes

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    I think that's certainly possible. The pace of life is also so much quicker, all of our lives have speeded up as a direct result of improved transportation and communication systems. Not that many years ago, a call back the next day was perfectly acceptable, nowadays an hour without an e-mail reply is often considered poor form. All of which has increased stress levels and extended the average working day, as well as often adding a long commute to it.

    A world away from the simpler days of the past.
     
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  14. Livtor

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    The question isn't whether a schizophrenic or a depressed individual must be treated as carrying a health condition requiring treatment. Obviously, yes, as their lives are severely handicapped by the illness.

    The question only becomes interesting when you throw in the social setting. How do you diagnose mental health issues disturbing social order rather, such as personality and temperament disorders. Discuss.
     
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  15. Tobes

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    Someone suffering from a mental health disorder is far more likely to be the recipient of abuse rather than being the perpetrator. So yet more ignorance.
     
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  16. Livtor

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    <doh> Is this how I should read your comment: "A bully or sociopath is far more likely to be the recipient of abuse rather than being the perpetrator" ??
     
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  17. luvgonzo

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    I know I had to make a point based on what they implied. :)
     
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  18. Tobes

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    Being a bully isn't a mental health issue and a sociopath is at the extreme end of the spectrum

    My comment was simply fact.
     
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  19. Livtor

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    suffering from irrational fears much? <laugh>
     
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  20. DirtyFrank

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    After death of partner (many years ago) it tipped me over the edge. I was always highly strung and had underlying anger issues anyway. From that event on it got much worse with the same type of anxiety attacks already discussed in thread. Panic attacks about me dying, other loved ones dying...if they were 1 minute late, I assumed they were dead etc etc...

    I didn't want pills as I thought it was a specific issue rather than chemical so went to a qualified therapist, did a round of CBT sessions and confirmed it was a tendancy always there but the few controls I'd had had been broken with the trauma. So I'd talked it all out with someone non judging and uninvolved in my life and learned how to identify the real issue each time I seem to get pissed or stressed at a "normal" event.

    Still get the odd one, but have been taught coping mechanisms.

    Have no issues openly talking about it as as has already been here said: it's no different than a fault occurring in your arm leg or kidney...if can be fixed get it fixed or at least fixed as Much a possible....
     
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