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Reasons to be cheerful

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by lamby, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

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    But the players that he wanted are the ones leaving now.. I am saying they were treating amazingly by him told by him that anything is possible treated to things etc. No harm in it until Cortese left and the players that felt so well treated a close to him are still here.
     
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  2. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    If I understand that correctly, all you are saying is the same as I do, which is that footballing wise, Cortese promised the players that the club was going for Champions League, and to win the Premier League eventually, and that he would do everything in his power to help that ambition be realised.

    Now, if you agree with that, then you think as I do that when Cortese left, the players and Poch believed the special ambition left with him. Which is why I keep saying that the biggest asset this club had was Cortese. Anyone else could have left and the ambition and momentum would have kept rolling along, getting ever more focussed on the target. Anyone else was expendable.

    Are Saints the same club now..? I'm hoping like hell that they are and that the current queue to find the exit door is a hugely mistaken action.
     
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  3. Le Tissier's Laces

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    I rather think Poch was attached to Cortese and the players attached to Poch. Not completely, and there's crossover, but in the main.
     
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  4. Beef

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    Shame Cortese's ego got in the way of him staying. The ambition is still here it's just the players have lost the guy they respected so taken what they see as a weakness as a sign to go.
     
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  5. fatletiss

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    Whether this is right or not, I think it is very poor that the players have just said "right, I'm off too." without giving the club a chance or even a glance at what we are going to do. They basically have bottled it and behaved like lemmings.
     
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  6. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    I disagree Beef - I think the players have only really gone indirectly because NC went. Because he went, Poch went. Because Poch went, the players are going. Had Poch stayed, I think many of them would have stayed too. However, heads dropped because despite the January assurances, they knew (and Poch privately conceded to them), that MP would be gone end of season, so they started to plot their way out too.
     
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  7. fatletiss

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    There will be another Ruud van Nistelrooy one day.
     
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  8. Beef

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    Cortese started it off by leaving due to not wanting to have the owner have more control. That in turn unsettled the players and manager to make them question what was going on. Then Pochettino played us about for ages before leaving. Which gave the players the ideal chance to go. It all stems from Cortese not wanting to lose full control.
     
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  9. Beef

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    I actually doubt any have talked to Koeman.
     
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  10. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that was the catalyst, but we're linking the players too much to Cortese directly in my opinion (and from what I've heard very recently), whereas their strongest bond was with Poch.
     
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  11. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    Which says it all for me. Petulance.
     
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  12. Beef

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    Shaw's was Cortese, he phones him every day don't you know?
     
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  13. fran-MLs little camera

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    This is the problem of a leader cult. The team played well because they believed in MP, but then all wanted out when he left....forgetting the success we had before him. He convinced them they were the bee's knees, so they've gone in search of the honey pot. I read elsewhere (so no proof it is true) that Mauricio had his favourites and this was in fact divisive. Whether this is any different from what happens at any other club, I don't know.
     
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  14. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Shaw said himself that he got teased by team mates about how close he was to Nicola.
     
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  15. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    That was the exception though.
     
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  16. Schrodinger's Cat

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    I bought a new garden shredder today - possibly the most satisfying garden tool in existence. **I pruned my hedge at one end of the garden for the first time in about 5 years and have turned a pile of branches 8 feet high into a couple of sacks of chippings

    ** by I, I mean my wife, so that was even better :grin:
     
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  17. fatletiss

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    How much?
     
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    £67 quid from B&Q. Munched through 40mm branches
     
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  19. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    Might need to get myself one of those.
     
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  20. Missing Lambo

    Missing Lambo Well-Known Member

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    Bloody hell. Came on here for footie, not Gardeners' Question Time.

    Just finished watching the Costa Rica shootout. Missus asleep and the forum's gone green. Reasons to be cheerful? How's about Victor Wanyama, James Ward-Prowse and Steve Davies as my first 3?
     
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