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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by smithy in nl, Jun 25, 2011.

  1. blackcatsteve

    blackcatsteve Well-Known Member

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    no i meant not counterfeight ones, where the club gets 0 of the cash from them, real shirts will be cheaper over there anyway i would imagine, cant see them going for £30-£40 over there.
     
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  2. Commachio

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    That is the problem, everyone see's an asian player as a way into the asians market, but would anyone like to explain how the club would get money from shirt sales?

    The name would be spread, but how would the club profit financially?
     
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  3. blackcatsteve

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    Well surely Umbro have their sticky fingers in a lot of countries, so they must already sell there with some of their stuff, so i am guessing it will be up to umbro and they take a cut and we get the rest, we will get some cash, but not a clue how it exactly works.

    It probably wouldnt be that expensive to set up a club shop over there either, if things look good with the player and merchandise sales, it may be something to look into.
     
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  4. Commachio

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    Can't speak for Japan or Korea, but you'll be hard pressed to find many club shops around, think i have seen about 3.

    No-one is going to pay much for a shirt, when you can buy the same shirt for a few quid, and are probably made in their counrty anyway.

    But there must be ways and means, because the big two are highly popular, but no idea how much the gain from it financially
     
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  5. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    Why is everybody so worried about our Left side of midfield? We've got Sess, Steed and Ricco to play there and Larson and Elmo can cover the right!
     
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  6. MackemMatty

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    I love your optimism....but really, as Commanchio has pointed out, it is not that simple. Ive used other clubs such as Bolton and Boro to illustrate my point that buying a player doesn't automatically give you support in their native country.

    If you are already one of the worlds biggest clubs, such as Man Utd or Liverpool, then it is the success/history AND being linked to the player that is attractive to fans in the player's country.

    At the end of the day, (big generalisation Im about to make) but many many fans in Asian countries, and other emerging football markets, who support a PL team, support the most successful ones. They want success, they want to be associated with success. When someone asks them who they support they want to give an answer that is impressive, and linked to success. It is also because the more successful clubs get far greater exposure in these markets, clubs such as our own likely do not.

    Clubs such as Wigan, Bolton, Stoke, Sunderland etc, clubs with no recent success, will only ever have big support in their own region. As Commanchio stated, you get pockets of support throughout the world, that can grow from a player being from that area, but rarely does it turn into a phenomenon.

    I wish it was as simple as:
    1. Buy player from foreign country X
    2. Play them in the odd match
    3. ?????
    4. PROFIT!!!1!!1!
     
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  7. blackcatsteve

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    Well i have no idea if Shorts experience in Korea will help or not, but he must have some local contacts over there where he can get the ball rolling and he must know how the economy works etc

    fair enough MM but it cant hurt can it?
     
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  8. vauxsamson

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    Cos the left, (as was shown last season) was effectively a dead area, no threat at all on their goal. Richardson's ****e and Steed (much as I like him as a player) didn't do too much for me either. we need a specialist midfielder with an eye for a few goals but more importantly someone who is creative so we can have a potential threat from both sides of the pitch. I reckon Sess is to be given a central free role rather than be exclusive on the left, we need someone now otherwise we'll still be having the same debate at xmas, about how ****e our left midfield is.
     
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  9. Commachio

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    Perhaps it is (and im hoping) that they just think the player is good enough in his own rites. Forgetting the asian market bit, just dong as a player may be seen as enough.
     
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  10. Teessidemackem

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    I agree with what you are saying, but I think Sess on the Left and Larson on the right with Catt/Colback in the middle with Gardner and our midfield should be about sorted! We do need more strengh in depth though!
     
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  11. MackemMatty

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    Yeah I agree, whilst I think there is some potential to grow a pocket of support in South Korea, its merely sowing seeds. But that is a good thing, if we cast our net wide enough and sow seeds worldwide, it will raise our profile at least a little.

    As for Dong, his ability is what Im focusing on first and foremost, as that will be far greater value than a bit of South Korean support.
     
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  12. blackcatsteve

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    Well i believe it will be, anything we get from the buy, if we get anything will be seen as a bonus, its just us discussing the potential market, whether it exists or not, I believe it does, but 1 player wont make it, but it is a foot in the door.
     
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    All 3 have been tried out there and none of them did a particularly good job, that's why people are worried ;)
     
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    Any money from the Korean market won't come from shirt sales, what is likely is that our games will be shown live over there with him in the side, and Korean companies will by advertising hoardings etc at the SOL.

    It could also, potentially, be a catalyst for a bigger shirt sponsor from the region, it's not a given, but it increases the likelihood of some interest.
     
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  15. vauxsamson

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    Worried? More like terrified if Rico starts the season as our first choice left midfielder, suicidal if he is our first choice left back.
     
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  16. Commachio

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    That'll be it, advertising and sponsorship, no shirt money (or very very little).
     
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  17. Teessidemackem

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    Sess is first choice with Larson on the right!
     
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    What he said. ^^^
     
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    Guys listening to talksport and agent and sky andrew has broken the news that sunderland have signed ji dong won
     
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  20. connor wigham

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    and gardener is just about done and dusted
     
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