I'm a CTWD member, in fact arguably a bit more than a member, but that's by the by. I've not suggested they oppose the change, automatically or otherwise, at least not in the latter stages. The earlier stages are a matter of debate, but they're done. My suggestion was for an involvement to smooth the transition. As I know a LOT of fans, many of whom are CTWD members that are pissed off, I struggle to see why anyone wouldn't want to suggest tweaks to keep more people happy? Why wouldn't you want more fans happy, or at least happier?
Nothing is further up the agenda than anything else, it's just that when this particular issue was added to the agenda, it seemed to get universal support, but nothing is yet decided on any issue outside of the name change. Any committe member can propose any issue that they think should be added to the agenda, those issues include pricing(disabled and otherwise) and the seat move and all will be discussed and have a policy adopted on them, should the committee feel it's warranted. You've raised the issue with the rep on here, I've told you that it's already an issue that's on the agenda to be discussed, any further presumptions on decisions already having been made, or what the rest of the committee that you don't know think are a waste of time. When we decide what we think we should be doing, we'll publish full details and invite everyone let us know what they think of what we've proposed. Then is the time to take pot-shots, should you feel it's necessary.
Other than the dynamic and disabled prices, are any other ticket price issues on this agenda? How would members get something on the agenda? On the seat move issue, the real opportunities have unfortunately passed by, what do you feel is liable to be discussed when it's raised. I get the impression it's liable to be now limited to "some whinging twat's been bending my ear with this for months" with the ironic conclusion that it's too late to do much now.
Just to set things straight on the stand move, I've only seen Dutch and Obi on here really oppose the move itself, a few have a little grumble about being happy where they are but not exactly opposition. The biggest problem is the way the club went about doing it and every man and his dog was in full agreement that it was handled very poorly, although it's been done and no amount of anything will correct the past so it's quite useless narking on about it now. From a completely neutral perspective I think it's fair that CTWD never got involved on opposing the seat move itself, as using this site as a barometer (is that the right word?) it was the very smallest minority that actually voiced real discontentment about it so regardless of their committee members views, why would they act on something the majority of supporters seemed relatively happy about? And on a completely different note, I personally think that CTWD taking the time to bother trying to do anything other than oppose the name change is entirely futile. The club obviously looks upon them as some sort of rebellious terrorist movement, so whilst Allam is in charge they'll have absolutely no sway with what goes on at the club regardless of what theyry to get involved with. In fact if anything, any matters they try and fix will probably end up getting worse as Allams spite seems capable of just about anything regardless of who the real victim might be. I'm interested to know why CTWD think it's worthwhile to bother getting involved with anything other Thant he name change, if there's an answer to that question?
that's the CTWD way DMD ... they have their agendas and that's all ... and you wonder why the allams held them in contempt ... you see on every day now in HDM comments ... most are now against CTWD wishing they STFU .. they won the battle and then a lot decided to stop going .. so why did they do it if it is not anti allam ? CTWD need to QUIETLY do things for a while .. and bringing up a case of one person who has got her ticket pricing wrong as has been proved on here today (because no doubt she would rather sit away from the disabled areas) has proved it OLM where does said person sit ? if its general seats then full price and tough .. that's life .. life > football If not then the carers pass is still free and said person has now passed an age bracket that everyone else has no arguement
That's probably the wrong phrase to use. The lady in question may not even realise she MAY be entitled to a free carers pass. And don't worry - whatever afflictions are prevalent in the disabled areas (eg muscular dystrophy, cerebral palsy, etc) I'm sure they're not contagious...
With regard to pricing, there is just some time allocated to discussing pricing generally, there are not different agenda points for different pricing issues. From the email correspondence so far, I'd say the disability pricing issue has the most support for immediate action, the season ticket price rises I don't expect to get too much attention, other than an expression of disappointment that the increase wasn't staggered. The dynamic ticket pricing issue is likely to get no support from the club, so I doubt we'll spend much time in it, but I'm only guessing. If you think there's an issue we should be discussing, then you can email CTWD directly, or you can post/PM on here and I'll raise it at the meeting. On the seat move issue, I believe it was too far gone when it was announced for us ever to be able to do anything about it, which I assume is exactly why it was announced so late. It's on the agenda because it's been raised as an issue on Twitter, but compared to other issues that have been raised with us, it's been very much a side issue. I know you don't want to hear that, but I haven't seen a single email from a member about the issue, whereas we have hundreds about other issues. I expect it to be added to the list of complaints we have about the lack of transparency and consultation with the decisions being made a the club, but little else. I'm only guessing though, I'm just one voice among many, others may see it as a far bigger issue.
It doesn't surprise me you had few emails about it. It was discussed on here and it was clear CTWD was a single issue group and the stand move wasn't going to be taken up by them. That's a real shame, because it was an opportunity to gain some real kudos points with the Club and fans for relatively little effort. Most people I know don't post on here or have much to do with social network sites, but I can comfortably say they, without exception think it's a ****e idea. I'd guess that's a straw poll of about 100+ people minimum. There certainly seems to be others on forums critical of the move, and a handful, such as you, exiled and Filey that seem to think it's good. The ticket office seemed to be person after person wanting a move out asap. The move itself could conceivably been delayed with a bit of forethought. Planning issues can sometimes bring up strange occurences with a bit of thought for one, but it's done. The easy wins could have been made by helping smooth the transition, but there seemed to be a reluctance from some on the committee to consider if it really was a **** idea. One small example, it could have been that E4 was encouraged as an alternative singing area, so the atmosphere was improved as well as people being less unhappy. It could have been suggested that phase 1, one involved moving the blocks as blocks, so you stayed in your groups. Phase 2 could be these people swapping seats if they wished. If email's to CTWD or posts on Twitter are the limit of finding out what affects fans, little wonder people are just walking away. It doesn't bode well for any future vote on a name change. There are other pricing issues, but there seems little point raising it with ctwd given what I've seen so far. I'm as sorted as I can be with the seat move, but I know of plenty of others that just couldn't be arsed with the fight, a combined approach would have helped all parties.
Theres nothing "snide" I had no idea about this woman till you brought it up. So why is she paying for her pass? As Chilts say and you conveniently ignore, hers should be free. Exiled on CI, as you well know cant wait to move into the North Stand or THE ZOO" as he's tried to christen it on one thread.
CTWD will face the same problems as HCOSC in the fact that it cannot be fully representative of the Hull City supporter base. As a single issue group in its formation, it gained popular support, but going forward it may struggle to support some issues or it may find that it does not reflect popular views.
No it wasn't it was some bullshit about people turning against CTWD, which is the same thing he's been posting for months and it's never been true. Neither of them need to be. CTWD only needs to represent its members like any campaign group does, the OSC doesn't represent any fans, it's a benefits club.
As I understand it, if she wants to go as a carer, she has to sit with her in a disabled section, but she rather likes sitting with her husband and the her other children. ****ing unreasonable I know, but that's women for you. Exiled always wanted a singing section in the North Stand, but as I pointed out, he's not on the committe, so can't be one of 'vociferous committee members'. The reality is, that of the 16 people involved in the running of CTWD, exiled is the only one who's vociferously in favour and your previous post was just your usual inaccurate ranting.
As I've said before you are an idiot who doesnt read properly. Go back read it properly. Chilts flagged it and dotty has apologised. Nothing to do with the CTWD bit. Hope this helps.
You said it was a good post. Part of it was bollocks about CTWD and the other bit he later apologised for, which bit was good?
So she has exercised that choice and not got the free carers pass last few years but now suddenly she cant afford it but can move and offset the cost but doesnt want that!!! Has she contacted the club and asked if her family can move near to them?
Her reasons for not renewing her pass are partly because of the disability allowance being scrapped, partly because of a 30% increase in the cost of all the family's passes and partly because she's thoroughly ****ed off with the continuing name change nonsense. She'll still be going to the KC, she'll now just pick and choose which games she and her family attend. She's just one person, CTWD won't adopt a policy based on how it effects one person, we're more interested in seeing City adopt the standard approach in the Premier League(which is what they're claiming they're doing already, but are not).
