Is Racism worse than Violence in football? Warning - Harsh language.

So Suarez gets a 9 match ban for biting someone... for the 2nd time, and this is his, what, 5th offence?

Someone can get 10 match ban, I repeat, 10 match ban for racist abuse?

It's ****ing stupid.

You can get as little as 3-4 matches for violent conduct, but 10 matches for racism?

It's ridiculous. Words should never ever be treated as bad as violence. Words can be brushed off in most cases, even if it's a racist slur. Bite marks, stud marks and broken legs cannot be brushed off.

It just shows that Fifa, The FA, and other footballing organisations are just there to appeal to the butthurt clan of butthurt people, and are pussies and can't hand out real punishments when they are deserved.

If you can get 10 match bans for racism, Suarez should get a season ban at least as this is his 2nd time ****ing biting someone! Never mind 2nd offence, 2nd time biting!

Racist slurs should only get you a 1 match ban at the most if it's your first offence of that nature. Anyone can call someone the N world in the heat of the moment, but biting someone or purposely digging your studs in is a whole other universe, not just a whole other ballpark.

 

It's about sending a message. Football doesn't have a massive problem with players biting each other. It does however have a serious problem with racism amongst players and fans, and the only way clubs take that kind of behaviour seriously is by having their players banned. Fines are easily swallowed up, but bans threaten a club's position and future. The threat has to be effective.

I also take issue with your comment about calling someone the N word in the heat of the moment. I wouldn't, none of the people I know would, at least none of the people I want to know.

You state that Suarez should be banned for a year, but what you're really saying is that racism isn't that big a deal and shouldn't be punished as severely. I think the reason racism is no longer such an issue in the English game is that we've made it a big deal. Look at leagues around the world where it's seen as a bit of fun. Players having bananas thrown and monkey chants in Spain and Russia. Why should we return to that? Why should Cissé, Sissoko et al have to put up with anything other than criticism of the way they play?

 

I agree violent offences should be treated seriously and offences should incur a heavy penalty.

Racism to my way of thinking is always much more serious and should be treated accordingly. Not just anyone uses the N word, only racists do.That is save the black youths trying to reclaim the word. Racism and it's effects should not be underestimated. You have to experience it to realise the actual impact it can have. I am your typical middle class white collar middle aged man and fortunately have never had to endure direct racism but in my younger days I had quite a number of black and asian friends who were subject to racism. Racism over a protracted period can have a big and adverse impact on someone. Racism should never be tolerated nor should it's impact be minimised.

I'm not saying violent conduct should be underestimated or that it should not receive severe punishment in appropriate circumstances but it really in the normal course of events is not in the same category as racism.

 

People get death threats, rape threats, and all other types of abuse and **** over the internet, and sometimes real life, but it's not taken nearly as seriously as a person saying the N word to a black man.

I don't think racism isn't a big deal, I'm saying it's just not nearly as bad as physical violence when it just involves a racial slur. Someone being denied an opportunity because of racist racist employers etc, that's when it gets serious.

But someone just being called a name? The worst it will do is hurt someones feelings. Big whoop.

I've had people come up to me and tell me that I should go kill myself "you stupid emo ****" simply because of how I look. If I told people this, they might react and say "that's disgusting" but no one is gonna get arrested or too butthurt over that.

You go up and call a black man the N word and everyone craps themselves. Both are horrible IMO. Judging someone on their skin colour or apparel in such a manner is bad.

But it's just not as bad as physical violence. I can handle people telling me to go cut myself, I can't handle studs to the leg and having my leg broken. That's far worse.

You're not going to stamp out racism by simply handing out ridiculous ban lengths to scare people into not doing it, you'll only stop it by education, but it's always going to exist in some form. Humans are ******ed and judgmental.

 

Totally agree with that part of your statement. Biting has been virtually unheard of in British football before Suarez came on the scene, where as racism is a deep rooted problem. However, that still does not stop me believing that Suarez has got off very lightly with this.

 

Tash. People calling you an emo isn't really comparable to the N bomb.
There was not vast numbers of people being disenfranchised due to being a bit emo. Racism has a deep rooted place in history which isn't really there for an emo.
Sticks and stones and all that but racism IS much worse than any other name calling.

I've never used the N word in the heat of the moment so find that a strange comment.
Doesn't even have to be the N word. You can call a black person black. You can call a c*#t a c*#t but what you can't say, in my opinion, is you black c*#t. If the person is being a c*#t then point it out but the colour of their skin holds no relevance to that whatsoever and doesn't need pointing out (Take note JT).

Of course violence is bad but it is a contact sport and things can get out of hand .... biting seems a little strange. I don't think you can compare racism and violence.

Of course, if he happened to bite somebody for being black........

 

Feel I should put it out there. I've got no problem with "emo's" Tash. Live and let live as far as I'm concerned fella.
Having said that it winds me up when you see youngsters with floppy hair in their faces.... get a bloody haircut man!!!

 

Being called an emo isn't the same, but being told to slit your wrists and kill yourself because of the way you look is worse than calling someone the N word IMO.

 

Rofl, I aint an emo, I'm more of a goth, but I've gotten a haircut now. It's mainly down to the fact that I kinda of look like Rowan Atkinson with down syndrome, and I wear black hoodies with skulls and **** on them lol.

 

Jesus Christ that really is a horrific image.

 

Tash, were any of these you, by any chance?

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Don't know about that, Jermaine Defoe got stuck into Mascherano. Biting is not actually that uncommon in sport. Rugby, boxing, american football, ice hockey have all seen a few biting incidents down the years. I just find it a bit of a sub human act. We are meant to grow out of that kind of primal behaviour as a child.

I'm not a fan of trying to equate bans for differing offences. I think it is virtually impossible to find a perfect balance. I don't think its worth trying to think "well if you get this for racism, why do you this for a leg breaker?" etc etc. So many different circumstances, previous history etc etc. I just view both things as not on. They need to be dealt with via disciplinary measures and then move on. **** happens and all we can try to do is educate, discipline and improve. It'll be a long fight to eradicate the either.

 

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Racism isn't only words though. It's a problem which is endemic in many cultures and societies and which cannot be tolerated at any level. When anyone offers a racist viewpoint or indulges in some racist abuse they are uttering words that can promote and incite a pattern of thought and behaviour in ignorant people and provoke an existing problem in those who may already have racist tendencies. When the person being verbally racist has a high public profile such as a footballer then the problem is magnified - it doesn't begin and end with the words uttered. Racism is a form of hatred and has been and continues to be both a trigger and catalyst for numerous violent and horrendous crimes. Civilised society is 100% correct to offer a zero tolerance policy towards racism and football authorities have their part to play in this.

 

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You can and will (eventually) stop dressing emo. I grew up going to the Green on a Saturday, I had big baggy jeans and silly boots and I went to Trillians and Cuba Cuba. But all of those were choices.

The closest I have ever come to racism has been getting mocked for having ginger hair (which isn't a choice and which I refuse to change), but as Mr Lee says, there's not an awful lot of cultural baggage that comes along with that kind of thing. Whereas there is still a massive amount of cultural baggage which goes with black skin, and if I call one of my black friends a n*****, I make an idiotic choice to lump him in with every other black person on earth, and in some way I make out like they are all the same. That's a horrendous way to make someone feel over something which they can't choose, and it simultaneously categorises their whole family as well.

 

That is why I said in British football..I'm well aware that it has been a much bigger problem in rugby, although I have not heard much about it in British boxing. It is my belief that Suarez has a psychological problem regarding his biting habits which is undoubtedly unacceptable in any sport. Once should be a lengthy ban, twice should have been a season ban, but the third offence in my opinion should have meant a lifetime ban.

 

Suarez in my opinion is not psychologically impaired, he's doing it to stop defenders getting too close to him, or to provoke them into reacting and getting sent off. It's cynical cheating, not craziness as everyone seems to suggest.

 

I don't like the feral bastard but that is a touch over the top. It was only a friendly nibble not Mike Tyson type stuff

 

Tash. Am liking this thread mate.
My head's a bit fuzzy as in Turkey on hols.
When my Efes/Raki haze eventually lifts.. Will formulate and give my view in an articulate way.
Bravo sir.

 

I work all over the UK, and recently was chatting to an Indian guy. Her used the "P" word to describe someone from Pakistan. Not once, but several times. I wonder what would be the outcome if I had said it?

Taking it a bit further, there is talk of a remake of the classic film "The Dambusters", but the name of Gibson's dog was "n****r"

Can you believe there is a strong possibility that the name can't be used in case it causes offence. Going back through history, does this mean we now have to find new names for Hitler, Himmler, Julius Ceaser, Herod, Caligula???

Pretty certain all of those are a lot more offensive than a black labrador that happened to be called the N word in the 1940's