The Official Suarez "our ****" Thread (closing this thread at noon so get commenting)

Compulsive behavour can manifest it's self in many ways, Ramirez also suffers the exact same flaw as Suarez, but he prefers to either two footed or elbow out his compulsion. What boggles the mind is deeming Suarez to be far far worse, and it's just unbelievably stupid that he is actually better off breaking someone's leg with a horror tackle in terms of rules, pretty sad really.

it sends the message out, you better not bite but you can punch and kick your anger away for little or no punishment.
All violent non football attacks should be treated equally because of what they are, violent attacks on an opponent.

 

I particularly agree with this

 

You reckon>

 

No Sisu. It's quite patently our problem as well.

 

He might have no arms.

 

FIFA have made it our problem, what can we do to manage him while he's at Uruguay's WC Red?

not a lot. He bit no one while under Rodgers and the club's management last season. A few weeks away from the club and he does it and the club get punished.

 

The PFA offered specialist counselling the last time he did it, you declined it and said you'd deal with it "in house".

Did he ever get that 'help'? If the answer's no then your standing by him and refusing to force him to confront his issues makes you partly culpable.

Talk of compulsive behaviour is bollocks anyway imo, as he didn't do it while being held and reacting, he did that as an 'attack' not a defence mechanism.

 

Is it RHC...?

 

He may get help, does that mean "****" it is resolved? No, it's an ongoing thing. You can't use such an uncertain situation to state facts, people can have the best psychiatric support and still do the things they do.

Unless you are a complete cretin you will realise compulsive disorders take a lot of effort and help to overcome. Especially one that is with someone all of their life without being addressed.

I am not making excuses here for Suarez just so you know

 

Do you think the answer is no considering his behaviour throughout the season compared to previous seasons? We can't manage the player when he's with Uruguay.

 

It became your problem when you signed a player who was serving a ban for biting someone. He repeated it whilst on your payroll, you stood by him and in fact then rewarded him by doubling his salary. He's now done it again and he needs to learn once and for all that the game just won't have it. so HE'S been dealt a 4 month ban, not Liverpool. The fact that you're going to lose him for that period as he's on your books, is the downside of having a player like him, but you knew what he was capable of when you bought him.

 

Now you are talking bollocks, seriously, really mate, that last line is utter nonsense, not that you could bring yourself to admit it, you have no idea what compulsion mean then never mind compulsive disorder. Compulsive actions have nothing to do with heat of the moment

 

You are linking a lot of events in your mind, in reality they are not linked. Just because they are in chronological order does not link them, unless it is in Tobes' world. You are back to your old talking complete bollocks self I see

For example you are giving the impression we knew he would bite again when we signed him from Ajax or that we knew he would do it again after Ivanovic. nonsense mate, really.

Did Duncan Ferguson get a contract based on his punching and getting locked up after he got out? Did everton factor that in? No, **** off

 

Thats kinda the problem, people DO count punching as fighting, and fighting, although against the rules, and this may sound laddish, kinda comes with the territory when you get 22 guys rough housing each other on a pitch.

Biting, however, doesnt count as fighting. Biting counts as eating, or something a child does. Its counted as primal and animalistic, hence the outrage, though no one can deny that most of the outrage is faux outrage and isnt without ulterior motive.

I can really see Liverpool's point here. It didnt cause a big injury and it wasnt committed in their colours, so its being blown out of proportion.
Do I think Suarez is a gimp who should seek help? Yes.
Do I think he should have been banned from club games? Hard to say, on one hand Liverpool shouldnt really be punished, but there isnt any other way to offer a proper punishment, an International ban alone would have had people up in arms.
And as much as anyone wants to deny, FIFA have pandered to the masses somewhat in all of this.

 

would you say it was fair for Uruguay to be punished for something he done in a liverpool shirt? if not, why is it ok the other way round?

this bollocks doesn't really give us the opportunity to get rid of him fairly, well makes it harder any way.

 

So what about hair pulling then...?

 

Spot on.

 

Actually it's not, even remotely, only seeing what you want to see mate

 

Its not a question of fairness Jenner, its a question of jurisdiction.
An offence committed whilst playing in the PL comes under the FA's jurisdiction, and they dont have the authority to ban a player from Internationals.
FIFA however, being the world governing body, can ban a player from playing under any association that comes under their jurisdiction.

 

True, if the FA could have given him a total ban, they sure as hell would have so there would have been at least a consistency there