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English Talent

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Livtor, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Loads and loads of english kids in youth teams.

    Not the issue. Its that we dont know how to use it and tye fact every club tries to rip every other club off with these english kids.

    18 year old english wonder kid = 30million
    Ronaldo wonder kid = 12million

    We over pay and then expect the greatest player ever. Heap pressure on the kids and basically stunt their develipment. Player after player.

    Spain worship theirs, the german team, remember the laughing stock they were in 2000? Look at them now.

    Weve got a good bunch coming through now. Whats as we undermine, humiliate and ruin each one. We just dont know how to handle modern football talent. These guys need a **** cuddle. They need to be worshipped. We just see a bunch of jumped up rich guys and treat them as suvh.

    The issue is with england as a nation. We hate successful people, winners, game changers. We prefer grit, hard work and honesty. That never got anyone anywhere ever!
     
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  2. Hundreds of kids in youth teams yes but not at the best clubs that have the best facilities and coaches. Hence their chance being vastly reduced
     
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  3. Chief

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    He had a poor season though.

    Tom Huddlestone however would have been ideal.
     
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  4. Livtor

    Livtor Active Member

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    Redknapp makes a simple enough point: most youth don't look forward to represent England at u21 levels and make any excuse to squirm out of them. Spoilt, rich, immature c*cks without pathos or passion for the country that gave them everything. File this under jackass.
     
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  5. Lucaaas

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    Tom Huddlestone would've made no difference. 2 midfielders against 4 in both games, what was Roy expecting??
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    If we are down to talking about a complete donkey like Huddleston we should close the doors right now
     
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  7. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    yes there are plenty of young kids with talent at clubs and most are used as being nothing more than the english quota needed at clubs. One youngster out of 30 -40 will make it on to the big stage because they cant get a look in as its full of foreigners. Liverpool are one of the better sides for giving British players a chance but that's not nearly enough to improve the national team. Most of the players available now for England are average at best and would not get into any other side, The future will be exactly the same if we don't act now and put a cap on foreigners that teams can use and bring on the talent we have being wasted from our own country....
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

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    We've already been down that route.
     
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  9. Livtor

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    Nope.

    - That's addressing the symptom rather than the cause.
    - Caps always go against market forces and thus they are doomed. And when the wall falls, so do FA's pants.
    - I want my club to be as strong as possible on the European stage and thus be able to pick any talent it wishes for their needs.
    - English players are actually overrated and traded at undeservingly high fees. Meaning that they are not spurned, but coddled.
     
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  10. Lucaaas

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    Blatter tried to set up the 6 + 5 rule couple of years ago but the European Union said it would be illegal. So I don't think it would be possible.
     
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  11. johnsonsbaby

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    I made a mistake in my last comment I was actually getting confused with the proposal you are talking about here. I seem to recall something being talked about involving non-European players where the EU right to work rule wouldn't apply. Although my memory isn't what it was <laugh>
     
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  12. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    you have to be a blind man or are refusing to see the obvious problem with British football. How can clubs bring on the talent if they cant get a place due to foreign players who have flooded the premiership and are now doing the same to the championship. These same players then get all the benefit from our clubs and go back to their international teams and knock England out every single time....Why is that? It;s because we have a sub standard team with one or two players ever good enough ...and why is that you may ask ? well a blind man will tell you if you rather use foreign players in every position possible then how can the British players get better...Answer...the cant and thats why we will never ever come close to winning anything again and will continue our barren 50 years for ever and ever...
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I really believe that with work teams can easily field 5 English men and compete in Europe

    I am sorry but german players RARELY live up to the fake technical rep they love to portray for themselves

    Yet right now Germany or more accurately 2/3 clubs contain European hottest properties according to English papers linking every one to utd

    I firmly believe way to high a wage way too young AND global youth trafficking are two big problems... I think a cap in 5 years time needs to be designed, drop hg for nationality and force at least 3 to 5 per match day squad
     
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  14. swanseaandproud

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    Spain did it when they went years without achieving anything and it transformed them into world champions and European champions. Germany are doing it now and they have won the WC a few times but the minute they saw their international team not playing as good they stopped the mass flooding of foreign players and now their clubs are mostly German players and the club and country results are better. We on the other hand welcome any good foreigner and don't give a dam about our own talent waiting in the wings going nowhere. Nobody is saying to ban foreign players all together but to introduce a cap on how many can play in any one game and this will force clubs to give a bit more thought towards our own talent and give them an opportunity to prove themselves....I know the foreign owners wont like the idea but why should they care about England and how we do on the international stage because they don't.
     
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  15. Chief

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    The difference he would have made, obviously, is that he couldn't possibly have played as ****e add your man Gerrard in the same role.

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  16. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I think Spain is slightly different in they all hate each other but they've always had some talent. I justvthink that it's been unique in their history that they've not been infighting so they've won

    I mean holland have been the same for a long time, constant nasty race type infighting that's seen David's leave camp etc

    That's not to say they've not had the talents though

    I would say the stats are interesting at 36% here 60% german and 50% Spain

    I do think however the youth situation is worse here and we have not produced one single real talent in the creative role since certainly scholes et al
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Sorry but this is fantasy... Gerrard is whatever I don't mind but f sake Huddleston is a total donkey... And yes I've seen days where lfc have been destroyed by him which shows more why Lucas is done than Huddleston is actually any good

    I mean come on guys when was the last really top midfield we had... 2002? 2006? The likes of Barry, Parker and so on getting caps and in defence we've ended up with jagielka and Cahill and nothing else when back 10 years there were 6/7 candidates and a name like carragher would not get a look in

    We've lost it, the players we pick are average at best in cl terms so when you put them together at finals they will be just that.... Qualifying is easy as half the teams are barely league 1 but the day is coming where England will struggle even for that stage if we don't get a grip of it
     
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  18. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your valued contribution. You make a great point. I'm sure everyone is taking great notice of what you are saying <laugh> <laugh>
     
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  19. johnsonsbaby

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    I think Fabregas has just had a training ground bust up with Del Bosque ...
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I heard del bosque took the first team bib off fabregas for having the wrong attitude and handed it to Alonso so who knows

    We will see who plays in the end del bosque is real so if they just now suddenly go drop all Barca and pick anyone bar you'll know all about spain
     
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