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Official match thread England V Uruguay

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Jürgenmeiʃter, Jun 19, 2014.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    That is absolutely the most funny video I've seen
     
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  2. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    In order of blame for both goals

    gerrard 90%
    Jag 5%
    cahill 2%
    Johnson 1%
    Hart 1%
    Others 1%

    a fair and unbiased refection of where the blame lies. So no, others are not blameless, just that if Gerrard doesnt gift it, the others do no wrong as it never happens and Suarez is discussed on the basis that he did nothing. That is the reality here, Gerrard started the chain reaction.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Fair and unbiased from you is impossible

    If we apply the rules if debiasing we get that you mean I hate Gerrard therefore he must be to blame

    As for even giving 1% to hart that's grossly unfair too
     
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  4. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    There is no but, I agree with what you're saying, that he followed Cavani as he thought he'd lost him and panicked about it, then quickly realised Gerrard was going for the header and tried to move back but ended up in no mans land.
     
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  5. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Token blame. He could have saved it, had he been a better keeper and much bigger. He shouldnt have had too though as it should never have happened.
     
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  6. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    Suarez cannot be offside if it comes from a goal kick and none of his teammates touch it.

    The main error is by the CBs who must always assume the ball will come and they should track their opponents.
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Much bigger is this your latest crazy theory... If only we'd fattened him up to 20 odd stone???

    You should blame god and the genius of Suarez cos that ball dropped so perfectly and Suarez didn't trip over it
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

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    <applause>

    Yea some sense.
     
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  9. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Stop blaming individuals! Why not make a list of missed chances blame.
     
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  10. Ivan Dobsky

    Ivan Dobsky GC Thread Terminator

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    Gerrard is 90% to blame for the FIRST goal? How the **** do you work that out? Was it a back pass to Hart that cut out the whole back four and went straight to Suarez ? (He has got form for that!). No, he lost a TACKLE (didn't even misplace a pass) nearer to the halfway line than his own penalty area, and with the whole back four still behind any attackers.

    And for the second goal (which I make Gerrard 95% culpable for) I make the point again, that everyone seems to be missing - when the goalie kicks the ball Suarez is NOT offside: therefore, had no-one touched it at all (or had cavani just dummied it) Suarez is through on goal. Gerrard had to go for it (or someone did) and the defenders MUST anticipate that he might not get it. Moot point though - he should have got it quite easily.
     
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  11. Monty Fisto

    Monty Fisto Well-Known Member

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    Look on the bright side Rooney got a goal and Gerrard got an assist.
     
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  12. Tobes

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    It wasn't a goal kick <doh> but he wasn't offside at the point the keeper kicked it anyway.

    Not a surprise that you put the main blame on the CB's rather than the person who made the error like. LOL.
     
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  13. astro

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    The chain reaction, in both games, is Rooney being a fat **** who wasted chance after chance causing us to have to come from behind which destroys our potential to counter attack.

    Liverpool are used to destroying teams in the first 20 minutes. It takes Rooney about 20 minutes to control the ball and turn.
     
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  14. Ivan Dobsky

    Ivan Dobsky GC Thread Terminator

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    Rooney 99%

    Crossbar 1%
     
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  15. Tobes

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    4 of the 6 midfield / attacking players were yours anyway brains, including the main striker <laugh>
     
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  16. Tobes

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    Shame it wasn't a ****ing goal kick <laugh>
     
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  17. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    And it shows what you a massive impact a change in philosophies and styles can have on the same players.

    The problem stems from Roy IMO. He is the one who needs to go first.

    In case it's been missed, I'm not saying Gerrard is NOT at fault. He should be doing a lot better in that instance. But the goal could have been prevented after the error has been made.
     
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  18. Ivan Dobsky

    Ivan Dobsky GC Thread Terminator

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    I'll make the point for the fourth time: It's not a goalkick, but Suarez is not offside when the goalie kicks it, there one of our players has to attack the ball, the other defenders must anticipate that not happening.
     
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  19. astro

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    Yes and what happened every time the ball came to Rooney? He took 3 touches just to get it under control, most times being tackled in the process. Then he dives and tries to get a free kick to get the ball back. That's why I want him dropped.

    Rooney cannot control the ball with his first touch. He cannot pass with his first touch. His goal wasn't a tap in, it was just miscontrolled into the goal.
     
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  20. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Suarez was not offside. End of discussion.
     
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