Official World Cup Matchday Thread - Uruguay v England

re Hart. Second goal. I rest my case.

Stand not anticipate. FFS, I would have got a bollocking if I did that in a game.

 

The man's right. Hart, sh!t again. Living on reputation.

 

We need to find a goalscorer. We created chances without looking like scoring.

Defensively we were shocking - including central midfielders.

On the plus side - hopefully we've seen the last of the 'golden generation' - the only golden thing about them was that they were piss poor.

 

hart actually ducks out of the way for the second goal! gerrard cost his team the league with a slip and his country progression in the world cup with a flick on header

 

A horrible act of bottlejobbery. Hart is a pile of tampons, gerrard is a **** and ashley cole should still be in the squad.

 

Chris Waddle, for once, spot on:

 

Thought Baines did ok and don't think Ashley Cole would have been significantly different. Predict Gerrard will retire from England the minute he gets home. I hated it when we lost the " pundits " started saying maybe Roy was wrong not to bring his experienced players like Terry & Cole. FFS they are yesterdays men and we need to get youth in and play them regular ready for the next qualifying tournaments

 

^This. Well said

 

Worse back 4 in 30 yrs only Sturridge deserves credit.
Just not good enough and as for Gerard good night Vienna

 

Gerard was ****e... Again.
We need to play the young ones now and build for the Euros.

 

Oh and Hart is ****ing dog ****.

 

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...honestly is anyone surprised we're not qualifying out of this group?

The moment I saw it I thought we'd come last. Wait, european finalists, world cup semi finalists and a very good south american team playing on their continent vs england?

What we put out isn't good enough to compete at highest level. I like Baines and Jagielka but neither of them are Championsleague calibre players. Johnson is equally defensively suspect and Cahill might have the talent but needs someone next to him to tell him what to do. Our undoing has been no leader in defence. Hart's definitely not telling them what to do so whenever they opposition does something we're at 6&7s.

Going forward...I've got no clue what Roys system is supposed to be. 3 guys up front that all do the same? One winger, one deep lying playmaker and one central midfielder who still has energy to run (Henderson) to do everything else? What? Rooney and Wellback having the same job neither striker nor winger nor midfielder. I'm sorry Roy but this is a total garbage system. To play it, you need very talented strikers (like Germany or Holland have) who do one hell of a job keeping and running with the ball and neither of our strikers are quite good enough for that.

Basically we ought to be sticking to what we know. Which is sticking Carroll or Sturridge up top. Finding someone who can take a damn dead ball and keep it tight at the back. From all the managers we've had in recent times, Sven was the only one who had us playing remotely to our strengths. We were tight at the back and eventually got a goal from a corner or freekick. Until we do that, we won't progress to the stages where we lose on penalties again.

 

Personally I've enjoyed watching us and Woy has us on the right track. Our ball retention was so much better than the previous "sit and defend" efforts. We have made progress. The worry is we lack quality in some areas. Hart still has a load to learn but then he is still young in keeping terms. I've said all along Jagielka is not a top class centre back, nothing I've seen here makes me think any different. Cahill is good enough but needs someone to lead him. We don't have that player. Phil Jones looked every bit like he was going to through the junior levels but something has gone awry there.

Gerrard has probably played his last tournament. He has done fine for me but he make a mistake for the 2nd. We weren't as good last night overall. Mainly because Sterling was anonymous. I still think it was a mistake to move him from that central role to accomodate Rooney. Rooney may have scored but the team didn't function as well as it did against Italy.

I like the system we are playing but it will take time. I have no desire to see us return to the lump it and then barricade systems of the past, hoping we score a set piece. We just got eaten alive by top teams grinding us down. We have to be brave for me and stick to this path. We need some players of course. Centre half is a major worry. We have to hope Hart improves. And holding midfield is an obvious worry in the system we play as Gerrard will be moving on. However I can't fail to be excited by the prospect of Ox, Sterling and Barkley being the right age for the next few major tournaments. They and Sturridge is where the hope lies. We have young Shaw at left back too.

There is no shame in losing 2-1 to Italy and Uruguay. You could argue a draw was a fair result against Italy but I thought Uruguay desereved their win overall. They just controlled the ball and tempo that little bit better than us. Its strange, I've watched us go to major tournaments and squeeze through the group never playing well and eventually suffer a "brave" defeat at the next stage or quarters. I've been left with a feeling of "how do we change this, why are we so bad to watch". This time we've lost both our opening games and yet I'm somehow feeling quite positive. I had my doubts about Woy but I appreciate the work he has done since the last tournament. We now need to make a similar step forward for the Euros.

 

I look forward to the Euro's now.

 

We'll either win or crucify the set up. As per.

 

As far as I am concerned there's one poor goalkeeper who's always out of position. Then there are one, maybe two, defenders. That leaves either eight or nine midfielders milling all around the place and no-one actually attacking.

Watching the midfielders attacking is like watching rugby union when they all, en-masse, attack the defensive line and hope that one gets through with the ball.

 

What I found the most unacceptable was that Gerrard/Henderson are supposed to be available for the defense at all times, that's why you play 2 deep - it's not about having a back 6, it's about having link play to your front 4. They are/were supposed to regularly get it, carry it or get it forward, but it was too pedestrian. In trying to play possession football it inevitably slows down, which in turn does not work to the strengths of players like Sturridge or Sterling. I'm not entirely convinced it's Woy's fault, by the way - he has used the strongest formation available from one of the best teams in the league - Liverpool - and even included five of their bloody players. He's picked at the back the strongest players available to him who are all also used to a similar system. The problem for me is the 2 from Manchester. Neither are used to the same system, neither are playing well, neither are there on form, neither are any good as attacking forces. It's just my opinion, but I think we'd have been better suited using Lallana instead of Welbeck and Barkley instead of Rooney.

The comment above about not having CL players is nonsense, by the way. Italy line up with Torino players, Udinese players, etc. And whilst Uruguay have talent in the likes of Godin/Suarez/Cavani, there's a lot of players not featuring in the CL either. Look at Chile, Mexico, Croatia. But what a lot of those teams have in common is not being afraid to drop headline acts.

I'm looking forward to the Euros, because hopefully we'll take Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney out of the equation. They represent everything that's traditionally wrong with England, for me.

 

Why do people keep telling me Uruguay deserved the win? Objectively, they scored two and we scored one. Only way you can justify that opinion.

We f***ed them in every other stat, missed countless f***ing opportunities (nobody could call us dull at this WC), including Rooney missing two of the easiest opportunities I've ever seen in my life, and they scored from their only two shots on target.

We were good value for a draw at least.

 

You know what I've just watched it again, and I have to agree. I think my earlier comments must have been a disappointment thing (mixed with hangover, I'm sweating pure alcohol today). We controlled that game. I was pretty pissed last night but now I look again, how the **** did Rooney miss those chances. We were a little nervous first half but well on top 2nd after a sticky 10 mins. I'm even more positive having watched again, Woy has done very well. We got done by a top class ball from Cavani (coupled with some slack defending), and then a long punt which we were crap at dealing with.

The strange thing is people are moaning about penetration but we should have scored 3 or 4. That is as good as it gets at international level.

**** it, I enjoyed watching us, we're entertaining. Give me this any day over the ****e of the past. Now we just need to add that little bit of nous on how to win.