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Official match thread England V Uruguay

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Jürgenmeiʃter, Jun 19, 2014.

  1. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    <laugh>.
     
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  2. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton
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    ****ing weird!
     
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  3. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    We need a manager that can coach players to play a modern type of football that most of thee players play during their day to day club career.

    Taking them out of their normal playing style and making them all change that way is never going to end in a good way. It's not all Roy's fault, don't get me wrong, but would we have at least performed if we had Rodgers, Martinez, Pellegrini in charge?
     
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  4. Master Yoda

    Master Yoda Well-Known Member

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    Gerrard is already being made at fault... Few points.

    1) Roy's persistence with a 4-2-3-1 meant Gerrard only had Henderson to cover for him with Glen and Baines pushing up the pitch.
    2) Against Italy, Prandelli used 3 CBs and wingbacks to widen the pitch, with Marchisio and Veratti doing all the running for Pirlo. This allowed them to pick England apart because Gerrard couldn't cover effectively on the left side, especially as Rooney wasn't fit or willing to track back.
    3) England switched to a diamond against Uruguay with Welbeck off and looked much better.
    4) Barkley, Wilshere or Lallana should have been employed to give England a midfield 3, with Sterling at 10. Rooney cutting from inside left and Sturridge on the other side. Essentially how Liverpool employed Suarez and Sturridge.
    5) Suarez made Jagielka look very average by simply being a step ahead of him mentally for the second goal. Baines had maybe 20 minutes of good play over both matches, and although not his entire fault, was made to look very average defensively. Candreva particularly ripped him apart.
    6) Johnson assist or not has been very poor. Gerrard in this system was poor, but regardless his set-piece was uncharacteristically (FKs at least) poor.
    7) The players to emerge with any credit - Cahill, Henderson, Sterling, Barkley, Lallana IMO. Chamberlain might have made a big improvement on Welbeck.
    8) Welbeck wasn't awful or anything - he played his game well. He's just of limited ability, despite serving the team reasonably well.

    The overarching issue is that England has a manager who had half of one of the world's best offenses this season - and decided to try to force them into a rigid, defensive 4-2-3-1 in which the players had clearly been given little freedom or impetus to press the ball high up the pitch. A complete waste of an England squad which for the first time in a long time contains genuinely exciting attacking talents.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    If the sole manc keeps harping on while the lfc fans can say thier own players were poor (as in Henderson in particular) well it just looks silly and small

    Anyway

    Hart... What was all the flapping about
    Johnson... Scared to pass it more than 5 yards
    Cahill was excellent
    Jagielka was rusty IMO, not good when it mattered
    Baines was decent
    Gerrard, did ok IMO, better than Italy game as I felt he was trying to close down more around the pitch etc
    Henderson was sloppy on the ball and simply not aggressive either poor
    Rooney was good, very tough man marking but he held his own and got chances
    Sterling struggled to get into it, I felt he needed more positivity and to take a risk
    Welbeck was poor, defender?? As per Italy not his prime job!
    Sturridge was very poor and lost just about everything coming his way baring simple stuff he could lay off, too much swagger not enough concentration

    I felt it just was a case that Johnson got lucky and Rooney did well to be in there had that not happened England were not scoring
     
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  6. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Try and keep the abuse to a minimum fellas, emotions bound to be a bit high but lets not go too far.
     
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  7. Jürgenmeiʃter

    Jürgenmeiʃter Top top top top top flirt

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    DAD? Thank **** I found you, or maybe not, why dont you sprint on, dad.


    Just for the record, you said "Why should you be that passionate about where you come from?".

    So are you turning on scouser L FC fans then?

    You jog on twat
     
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  8. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Just assume shims some super tree hugging lesbo one world greenpeace terrorist that believes shims a child of the earth and doesnt believe in clothes, hygiene or nations. Probably
     
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  9. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Shut up sheepist. <whistle>
     
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  10. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    People just don't want to hear that at the moment Alex so do me a favour and put a lid on it. <cheers>
     
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  11. Lucas Talking

    Lucas Talking Well-Known Member

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    Yes, 200% Gerrard's fault. He is after all the only experienced senior player of international renown and reputed world class ability that was playing out there today.

    In all seriousness though, there were only a few senior players out there tonight (perhaps that was the major problem) that could have taken the game by the scruff of the neck and made a direct impact. Yes Gerrard was one who didn't (couldn't?) step up tonight but also despite his world class tap-in, media darling Rooney was another. That is multiple occasions now where 2 of the country's most highly regarded talents have failed to bring their club performances to the biggest international stage. Unforgivable really.
    As for Johnson, he shouldn't have been playing for Liverpool reserves let alone his country.
     
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  12. Just thought this could do with a shout :)
     
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  13. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I hate being sensible.
     
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  14. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Easy for you to say Welsh batard <whistle>

    Anyway, when did you start doing mod duties? Thought that was Greez's job? <laugh>
     
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  15. Rubbersoul

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    The system is too rigid, when they had Rooneyy, Barkley and Lallana all on the commentator said 'we've now got three players who play the same position' and that's the problem, instead of allowing them all to just drift they had to play the position they were given.
     
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  16. Rorschach

    Rorschach Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if they'll share a plane home with Spain, save some money?
     
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  17. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Suarez should take our corners. He was almost bending them straight in.
     
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  18. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Indeed I support my local sheriffs

    Everyone play nice now

    Most of this is a bit of gentle ribbing so let's not let something spillover unnecessarily
     
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  19. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    All together now!

    [video=youtube;_d0FsCDhRt8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d0FsCDhRt8[/video]

    <whistle>
     
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  20. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    yeah because we are neighboring countries with Spain...
     
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