What a ridiculous thread. If you are injured you must lay on the ground and not move/ roll around? A classic post from a poster who has never played any sport at a competitive level. So they do it is Ice hockey...and? They are bunch of girls who need to wear padding in case thay "skate" into each other.... even gay rugby types dont need that ! This rates up thier with the comedy "goalies having bouncier stances" garbage.. What an idiot !
Same here, only diving and spitting got me mad. I'd chin anyone who spat at me. I have no sympathy for pepe as he fakes and dives with the best of them.
You clearly have selective reading. I've repeatedly said that simulation is something the game can do without. However, as simulation goes, Muller's wasn't anywhere near as bad as most, and Pepe is entirely responsible for his actions. Where I disagree with Flyer is the way to define and punish simulation. He thinks it's binary (a foul is either a serious injury or blatant cheating with nothing in between) and I know it's not. He thinks anyone who isn't seriously injured (and therefore incapable of moving an inch) should be banned. I know it's not a workable, or indeed sensible, solution. Understanding this has nothing to do with it being a 'mans' game...
http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/16/silly...ller-and-receives-a-straight-red-card-4763956 I thought I should watch it again and I don't see what's different about what Muller does that makes it not as bad ad most. I don't agree with Flyer's solution either. It's very difficult at the time to know how hurt someone is so retrospective punishment is the way forward for me. As for selective reading, you're the one who has been equating lambasting Muller with excusing Pepe.
You've clearly got a bit of a bee in your bonnet about women's football for some reason. My post had nothing to do with women's football.
Maybe I misunderstood when you said that you understand why Pepe got so angry. That says that Muller was in some way responsible for Pepe's reaction, which is in no way true.
I don't see what's wrong with being angry at someone trying to cheat you out of the World Cup. Manifesting that anger in a pointlessly violent way was extremely immature but I sympathise with him being angry at Muller's actions for sure. If you're going to get sent off for 'violent' conduct, might as well chin the bloke.
I will never advocate violent conduct on the pitch, for any reason and under any level of provocation.
Where did he try to cheat Pepe out of the WC? Please enlighten me! Watch the video below. Muller gets hit with Pepe's flailing arm, unintentional and correctly nothing given by the ref. Watch the video and tell me that Muller acts, please? No doubt he got hit. Two players runnig at full strenght, of course he feels the contact. But he doesn't make anything out of it, no rolling around, no appealing towards the ref, just sitting there. Take a boxer, can take lots of heavy blows to the head but can be knocked by the slightest of touches to the chin. Not saying this is what happened here, just that this area of the face is a sensitive one and you will definitely feel a contact like that. [video=youtube;eKxQlZvyGiU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKxQlZvyGiU[/video]
Bit dramatic to say the least. That angle makes Pepe's "flailing arm" look far worse that it was. He's barely touched and nowhere near enough to justify clutching his face, falling down and rolling over. To knock down a guy of Muller's size and to inflict that level of pain genuinely would require a proper right hook. I don't see how you can say he makes nothing of it when he's milked it so evidently.
Milking it?! He sits and rubs his chin ffs. No rolling around, not appealing the ref, not even looking towards the ref. I'm as much against play acting as the next one, this was not such a case.
It's so endemic in the game now that it wouldn't surprise me if players do all this sissy stuff like a reflex action, without thinking about whether it actually hurts first. Once upon a time you took to the field in fear of a Norman Hunter, Chopper Harris or Tommy Smith type. If I was playing now I'd tread carefully around those players that are card-carrying members of Equity.
