Of course it's primarily self interest, of you couldn't feed your family or there were rolling blackouts every week because we didn't have access to enough natural resources due to problems in the Middle East then I'm sure you would be asking why we hadn't got involved there! In regards to quality of life and whether they want help it really depends on which side you ask, when Saddam was over thrown the people lined the streets celebrating and cheering the yanks. I'm pretty sure if you ask the innocent Syrian people caught up in the conflict if they would like some intervention from the West they would be desperate for it! What's the knock on effect of these wars too? look at Iran, even with the wars they still are edging closer to being able to produce nukes, their own leader has said he would like to level Israel, had there not been so much interference from the west out there they probably would, or more likely would have tried as Israel would have levelled half the country to stop them, how many would die then?
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Are you serious? Are you telling me that the best way to provide petroleum, oil etc for our markets is by invading oil-rich Countries???? No, Supergod, perhaps my moral compass is calibrated slightly different to yours. I wouldn't want cheaper products if it meant killing, either directly or indirectly, a million people for fukk's sake. And again, what kind of make believe World do you live in that makes you think we'd have "rolling blackouts every week" and be starving to death if we didn't forcibly occupy oil-rich States? Can you remember the price of your liter of petrol before Iraq was destroyed? How much has it gone down since? Apart from all the knock-on repercussions that such imperialism and mass slaughter brings (eg 7/7), I'm amazed that someone could even attempt to justify it by dreaming up a wacky fantasy situation where the whole of Europe would shut down overnight if we didn't kick the sh*t out of the Arabs and take their oil. I'm starting to think you might be celebrating the World Cup by consuming some illegal narcotics mate. You sound like you're off your head. They've given you the koolaid and you've guzzled it down with gusto. It just shows how powerful the media is and how easy it is to hoodwink the gullible. Your Rupert Murdoch Broadcasting subscription has been cancelled pal. Which Syrian people would you be looking to help? Half of the Rebel forces are infiltrated by Al Qaeda and the other half are made up of all sorts of fanatics, headbangers and Islamic fundamentalists. Would you send yourself or your son to kill or be killed for a ragtag bunch of mercenaries like that? At the very least you should know who you're getting into bed with before you do the dirty deed. Apart from all that, who the hell made us the World police anyway? FFS, Israel are armed to the teeth with nukes. Iran hasn't invaded anywhere for hundreds of years yet Israel has had countless wars with its neighbours and continues to keep a whole population of people in a state of semi-serfdom. Yet you're complaining about Iran who have no WMD's and have done nobody any harm except beat off a US/UK backed Saddam invasion of their Country in the 80's. Turn off that fukking propaganda machine you're watching because you have everything back to front mate.
I take it you ride on that high horse you sit on? Otherwise you are lining the pockets of the Western oppressors you hate so much when you fill your car! The fact is if we want to use Middle eastern resources on which we currently heavily rely on then we have no choice but to be involved in that region either political or otherwise, as the Syrian situation has shown inaction can be just as destructive as action, also worth noting that even though we have done nothing there it is the biggest current threat to uk security from terrorism from extremism generated in that conflict. If you want to talk about the propaganda machine all you sound like is one of the narrow minded V for vendetta mask wearers standing on a soap box telling us that governments are the evil and corrupt and the way forward is to self police and have no laws or government. Whilst your ideas on world peace and living in harmony would be ideal, it's not the world we live in and won't be in our lifetimes.
No we don't!!! We do business with these nations. Peaceful, dignified business and build up good relations. We don't bomb them to atoms to steal their wealth! Again, how much was your liter of petrol before Iraq was atomised and how much has it come down since? You are for the birds mate
Haha, peaceful dignified business lining the pockets of tyrants who gas their own people? and I'm the one for the birds? At least my moral compass is facing the right way, you want to get into bed with the devil!! Going to war was never going to bring down oil prices as it causes instability and nervousness in the markets and production, doesn't really lend support to the theory that the war was only about getting cheap oil!
Its hardly riding a high horse when you don't wish to see a million people murdered just so I might get a penny or two off the price of my petrol Good Lord, has morality sunk that low? But you did that, Supergod. You armed Saddam Hussein. You sold him guns and weapons and were best friends with him when business was good. But as soon as he realised he didn't need you anymore, you decided to slaughter the innocent people of Iraq to get him out of the way and get your hands on the loot. You line the pockets of the Saudi Royal family who are as tyrannical as any despots in the Middle East. You did business with Gaddafi who put thousands of his people to the sword. You do business with despots all over the World mate, don't you know that? That's precisely what they want mate. Once the British and American multinationals got their hands on it, it was their pinstripe-suited shareholders who started raking in the profits, rather than some greasy looking Sheite in a turban. Do you think they were concerned with passing on a saving to you or I? If the price of the barrel of crude remains high, who do you think benefits? For God's sake man, open your eyes
I'm not sure the Saudi's are as bad as the others, in fact in comparison to the likes of Assad they are bloody saints! I'm also not really sure what you mean with all this 'you' do business you're spouting, we all indirectly do business with them, I would rather they were removed from power and their countries and oil profits given to their people(through democracy), you would rather have the tyrants in charge because it's easier to ignore the wider issues and act like it's taking the moral high ground. We have done nothing in Syria and the death toll is well on the way to 200k, probably 2/3rds civilian as well and that is in just 3 years, it'll rise sharply as decease and famine sets in, but of course we can all sleep soundly at night knowing we did the right thing by sitting on our hands! All Arab countries are time bombs now, the oppressed side of the people have seen Western democracy and want it or at least a form of it, with the divides in Iraq that are clear as anything I find it very hard to believe that there would not be a similar civil war there by now and just as many people would be dying just with no end ever likely!
When I say "you" I mean the pro-war crowd. Anyway God, we'll agree to disagree mate. I enjoyed our debate old boy
Fair play, always two sides to an argument and things like this there is very little middle ground. For the record though I'm not 'pro' war, I would much rather see everyone live free and get along, I'm more along the lines of in a world where people use religion, wealth and power to be sh#tty to each other then it is something that won't go away until people learn to get along!
