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Official Not606 Canadian GP Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, May 27, 2014.

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Remember If It Rains It Pours

Poll closed Jun 5, 2014.
  1. NICO ROSBERG

    16.2%
  2. LEWIS HAMILTON

    73.0%
  3. FERNANDO ALONSO

    2.7%
  4. DANIEL RICCIARDO

    2.7%
  5. NICO "THE PANZER" HULKENBERG

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    0.0%
  6. SEBASTIAN VETTEL

    2.7%
  7. VALTTERI BOTTAS

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. JENSON BUTTON

    2.7%
  9. KEVIN MAGNUSSEN

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. SERGIO PEREZ

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. OTHER PLEASE STATE IN BOLD

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    As for the Perez penalty, I entirely agree with it. It was a late and unpredictable defensive move…
     
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  2. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I think it was pretty obvious how Dan managed to beat Vettel, but if you like you can run us through the overtake.


    Is Kimi purposefully making the ferrari look utter **** in revenge for getting sacked a fe wyears ago, or is he finally proving why Schumacher had it so easy for so long.
     
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  3. Pit Lane Charlie

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    Massa kept getting a poor exit from the hairpin, fast in but slow out, and Vettel must have tried drifting right down the straight whenever Massa caught up, persuading him to try the wrong side.
    If Rob Smedley was still talking him through the race, I wonder if Massa might have tried a different line into the hairpin for the faster exit that he needed.
     
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  4. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Vettel handed him an overtake on a silver platter, but he still failed to capitalize on it. Stuck his right foot down too hard and got no traction. He should have been more clinical.
     
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  5. BrightLampShade

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    Perez's impact was 32g, very unpleasant like massas 27g deceleration.

    To put it another way 32g is like going from 700mph to 0 in one second...
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

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    They must be super-human.
     
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  7. BrightLampShade

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    Their fitness helps for sure but I imagine the hans device was key here, just think of poor hakkinen.

    Once the car can do no more absorbing it's up to the belts and supports to spread the load as much as possible to the most robust parts of the body :s
     
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  8. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I had someone drive in to the back of me last year at low speed, and my neck has been hell since. (No, I didn't make an insurance claim on it) I don't know how they bounce back from those kind of impacts.
     
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  9. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    It has more to do with the amount of movement rather than the force, tbh 32 sounds worse than it is, I saw a guy breaking a zorbing speed record and when he bounced the detectors registered over 120g.
     
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  10. SgtBhaji

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    Bloody hell!
     
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  11. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Shame the GP didn't go for 10 more laps, Vettel would of overtaken Rosberg and Daniel who should thank Perez and Hulk for helping him win the race by slowing Vettel down and giving him a DRS counter towards the end making it impossible for Vettel to gain the place back after a bad pit stop...
     
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  12. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Post or pre fault?

    Before the fault I think Rosberg had it under control. The ERS were is tool to counter Hamiltons DRS. Once that was gone he was a sitting duck. Also I was impressed with rosbergs first stop. He made a mistake on his outlap but still increased the gap to Hamilton. The second stop was shakey from the team but still he got back ahead in the end. Rosbergs drive deserved more credit than it gets.


    Also on a separate note. How did button get 4th?
     
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  13. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

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    That's racing though I'm afraid.

    Not DR's problem that Vettel could not pass Sergio.


    Dan is genuinely a very fast young man- good on him!
     
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  14. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

    TheJudeanPeoplesFront Well-Known Member

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    I might be making this up, but the situation has been reversed, in 2008 or something at Spa? Didn't Lewis cut the corner, beat Kimi, and then got a penalty? He was right on his arse anyway like, slowed to give back the place so he had no advantage, and then he overtook because Kimi was slow (since which point they clarified the rules to make the punishment fit in retrospect).

    To me, Rosberg gained an advantage, and not for the first time this season, by not sticking to the track.

    No problem with the start of the race, Hamilton had that coming after the epic dual earlier the season where he kept pushing Nico wide, but Nico deserved at least a severe reprimand for cutting that corner, through error or not, because he did gain an advantage. Personally don't care whether people call me or others names because we're interested in talking about Hamilton either, you guys are worse than anyone for bitching.

    Overall, great race. I would like to echo earlier opinion. Massa SHOULD have won, and to me proved why he'd have been amongst the unworthy world champion select (and yes, there is an unworthy world champion select, and we all know it). HOW DID HE NOT WIN? I was desperate for him to win when he jumped on the back of Vettel, but terrible exit round the hairpin every single bloody time, and that (in my opinion) wasn't even the car difference.

    Happy Riccy won though, for me he's been a class of his own in the back-up pack this season, so it's probably right, if anyone other than a Mercedes driver wins, it be him.
     
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  15. StoneRosesRam

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    Looks like the car was just a lot better on the soft tyre than the super soft, he said he was painfully slow at the start on the SS tyre with graining. But with the soft tyre he flew with about 15 laps to go I saw that he was 11 seconds behind Alonso thinking he would remain in eighth, apparently he overtook both Alonso and Hulkenberg at the harpin on the last lap just before the safety car came out.
     
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  16. allsaintchris.

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    Vettel couldn't get past Ricciardo for the entire time he was behind him, so what makes you think he would have done it with another 10 laps?

    Fact is, Vettel was beaten in a straight fight again. Equal cars, no problems and he couldn't get past Ricciardo.

    Daniel is the real deal and shows what a poor job Webber was doing. He is not trouncing Vettel, let's get that straight, but he is easily the equal of him and Vettel needs to raise his game to put this Aussie in his place.
     
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  17. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Kimi was closer to Lewis on that ocassion

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    On a related note what happened to Vergne/Kvyat (I think) who did the same thing in front of Kimi earlier in the race?
     
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  18. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    So the big question is...

    Is Mercedes ERS and other power units really giving them 2 secs (or more) a lap?
     
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  19. BrightLampShade

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    Rosberg cut the corner on lap 25,

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    But at the end of the day it probably didn't matter, and given what else happened in the race it's probably been knocked out of the top 10 of interesting points, just look at other drivers who did the same, not a mention :D

    All we can say is that Rosberg was in the wrong and so got the reprimand, case closed, thats all thats required.
    Sooner or later though we're going to be in a situation where someone is catching a 2s a lap, 4s behind with 3 laps left and the front driver cuts a corner to keep the gap up and wins. He didn't gain a place in doing it, just maintained the gap? Still just a reprimand?

    I think thats a discussion for another day and for driverless situations and it shouldn't make a difference who did what, just the outcome of the situation.
     
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  20. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    The issue with Rosberg's corner cut, was he made no attempt to follow the line of the chicane once he had made the error, just simply booted it in a straight line and gained over half a second in the process.

    I don't buy all this 'he made a mistake just let it go, that some have been spouting, as he clearly used his mistake to his advantage. Others who cut the corner did try to come back on the track at the earliest opportunity whereas Rosberg set it in straight line and floored it (which can be clearly seen).

    To me, that is gaining an unfair advantage as he made no attempt to rejoin the circuit correctly and if he had tried to make the corner correctly or come back on at the earliest opportunity he knows Hamilton would at least have had a run on him to the first corner. Again, he created an unfair advantage.

    Ultimately the stewards deemed it okay and nothing can be done about it, but they are setting precedents again about what is acceptable.

    The problem, however, lies with the tracks which allow drivers to do this, it shouldn't be that easy for Rosberg to have taken the opportunity to get an advantage out of his error.
     
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