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Saylor looks to be a stayer

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  1. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    I'd like to see Saylor stay to be honest. He's local, English and is black and white daft.


    http://www.football365.com/premier-league/9333992/-?

    Steven Taylor plans to stay at Newcastle despite attracting interest from other clubs, according to his agent.

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    Central defender Taylor has been linked with possible moves to Queens Park Rangers and Crystal Palace this summer after finding his first-team chances at Newcastle limited last season.

    However, Taylor, who has come through the ranks at Newcastle, is determined to stay at St James' Park and fight for his place in Alan Pardew's plans.

    Taylor's representative, Jonathan Hope, has admitted there has been interest from rival clubs for the 28-year-old, but the former England Under 21 international has no plans to leave his boyhood club.

    "I can confirm that I've had talks to several clubs in regards to Taylor," Hope told Sky Sports. "Yes a lot of interest and great opportunities but I will state now that Steven Taylor is going nowhere.

    "He is contractually obliged to Newcastle United and he wants to play for the club he loves.

    "Despite media reports I'm saying now Steven Taylor and myself are not interested in talking to anyone else. Our focus is Newcastle and fighting for a place in Alan Pardew's plans.

    "We are not looking to leave Newcastle and hopefully this will end speculation over his future."
     
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  2. Somebodys pinched my sombrero

    Somebodys pinched my sombrero Well-Known Member

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    I was bemused as to why people thought he'd suddenly become a bad player last season. I'd rather he stayed.
     
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  3. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    It's not really worth thinking about replacing him. I just wish he'd be as good as either he should be, or as good as he seems to think he is. He should be up there with the likes of a Caulker or Jagielka, playing as first choice CB with Colo. In fact, at least he's a talker. Willo gives effort, is occasionally pretty good, but is quiet as a mouse.

    Above all else, we've got to remain realistic in this age of austerity.
     
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  4. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

    Beardsley's Rancid Sack Well-Known Member

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    Christ he has been mostly **** for years. A liability of the highest order who thinks an occasional obnoxious shout and a fist pump will make the fans forget actually how wretched he is. The sad thing is, alot of them do conveniently forget and cut him far, far too much slack because he is a 'local boy'.
     
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  5. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but who else are we getting under Pardew or Ashley? How many positions take a priority above his?

    If we had no Pardew, no Ashley, I think Saylor would have been sold by now, with the vast majority of fans happy with that (including myself). But we're beaten, we have no choices here.
     
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  6. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I've said for a while I think he has gone backwards. Very injury prone too. Both him and Mbiwa are rash average defenders for me. The money they are on looks wasted to me personally. That said in both cases, you'd have to be fearful how we'd reinvest the funds, if at all. More than likely we'd go get two random young french lads. As we've seen with Haidara (who I still think needs time mind), you are not getting any guarantees.

    Hell we got a fringe french international in Mbiwa who could supposedly play anywhere across the defence, yet looks nothing like the player touted and never has. He ain't been "Pardewed" as some like to claim, he has never shown anything!

    All said and done I think the club was always likely to stick with Saylor and Mbiwa. Personally in a perfect world I'd replace them with two more dependable players like Caulker and Shawcross or players of that ilk. Our club isn't interested in progression though and if our 4 is Saylor, Mbiwa, Willo and Colo, its probably enough to keep us entrenched in mid table which is as far as our ambition stretches. I don't doubt Saylors loyalty, I'm sure he could earn as much as he does elsewhere and play more. He genuinely wants to stay because he loves the club, I don't think anybody would say any different. I just actually think a move would be a good thing for him more than anything. He is basically 4th choice now, he is good enough for that role. Whether I'd want to pay him the money we do to fill that role, I'm not so sure. I'd rather pay less to Willo and get a better centre back for the first team. Again though that is ambition which we don't do.
     
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  7. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    Pre-season could be interesting. I wonder if we will crack on with the 3 x CB's cr@p we used at Anfield?
     
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  8. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I've told you the solution, drink more rum. Everything is better with more rum!

    Seriously though, I don't mind if we use that at places like Liverpool and teams who are far stronger. That is common sense to me. If we set up like all season then that is a different matter!
     
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  9. Lord Jonjomort

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    I don't think you can just switch into a 5 at the back, randomly. I think it's too big a shift. I did mean that I wondered if Pardew might think "hmmm, one of my least worst defeats used the ol' 5-4-1 ultra-defensive, let's see if I can lose less next season using it". Rum plays a part, because the above becomes amusing rather than depressing.

    Missed the boat last season - Rum + Shola must've been comedy gold.
     
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  10. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Each to their own as always. I think you have to be flexible enough to switch formations to suit. Particularly when you have a diverse league like the PL in terms of styles and squad strengths. Its one thing I really liked about Rodgers and Liverpool last season. They played a lot of different formations. Granted they rarely had to be defensive due to the strength of their squad, but they did play about 3 or 4 different ways. If you drill the team well enough it isn't a problem. One of my main gripes with Pardew is when he gets set in his ways with regard to formations. He only changes it when things get desperate i.e. on a horrific run. Then its done in more of a brainfart type way rather than proactively. Liverpool was one of the few where he actually looked like he had thought about what to do about their movement. He stopped them getting in between the lines and they weren't at all happy until we went down a man.

    There is nothing wrong than when you are on a great run, switching things. Sometimes I accept you just have to let it roll. You have to use your squad though and be smart. If you are in a great run and your next game is Liverpool or Man City away, there is nothing wrong with changing it to go more defensive and parking the bus. Its a results business and teams like ourselves can't always just say "attack". You'll get your arse ruined by the top teams a lot of the time. Southampton found that a bit last season. When they were a bit more defensive at Liverpool early in the season they got a result. They were braver against the likes of Chelsea, Everton, Arsenal and Man City and came unstuck. Just the way it is, the bigger sides are really good at home. I am happy to approach these games negative. This care free "have a go" approach only works when the big side is struggling a bit.

    I actually think Pardew loses the plot when we get in bad runs, he starts chopping and changing formations and players getting no consistency. It must look like "panic!!!!!!!!" if you are the players.
     
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  11. Lord Jonjomort

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    Yes, I see a lot of this. I think where Pardew falls down is in constantly employing tactics to nullify the threat of the opposition first. In a way, we almost always play counter-attacking football, in some way shape or form. Not a dynamic, pace based style, but more in the essence of we don't play front foot football. Where I think it has fallen down is when Pardew has actually tried to play on the front foot - he hasn't the nous to work out a style of play to take the game to the opposition. I even think back to, say, Hull - it was counter attacking, we won 4-1, but we conceded attacking possession, we conceded chances.

    In part, yes, we could never expect a Newcastle side to take the game to Liverpool. But under Pardew we are always caught short when playing lesser teams. I believe when we played a team at the bottom of the table, we lost, or some similar stat from the last season. Our best victories came against underperforming better sides, Spurs, Man U, Chelsea. It's more like if the tactic we set out does quite well, we give ourselves a chance at winning the game. If we get it wrong, there's simply no way back as neither our players nor manager are well drilled, as you put it, to adapt to a game's pattern of play.
     
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  12. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    Oh great! Another Shola! Instead of progressing he has got worse over the years. Beginning to make Bramble look good! Plus he is on purple player wages which if he were to stay should be on 3rd/4th choic CB wages.
     
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  13. Hugh Briss

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    Steven Taylor has never really realised his potential.

    Getting to the fringes with the full England squad and having decent spells with Newcastle United is his legacy so far.

    He's still young enough to make an impression with both teams but I can't see him staying injury-free.

    It doesn't hurt that he's local, the club is really struggling for it's identity at present.

    I hated all that French-based ****e last season.
     
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    He's **** though really. He's passionate and throws himself about, but he's not an intelligent player. Willo is a better defender now and also a far greater professional.
     
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  15. goldie

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    Wow let's all have a pokey bum. Ffs
     
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  16. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    In related news, we're trying to offload MYM. Not to replace him - no, we have Curtis Good and Remie Streete - as the club are "happy" with Saylor, Willo and Colo!!! It's a Chronicle story, but it does feel sometimes like being in the ring getting pinged by jab after jab after jab. And every one of them to the balls.
     
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  17. goldie

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    Christ I think we're trying to offload players in favour of cheaper holograms or something. They come invisible with a high resale value so I hear cost zero in wages and Pardew can't play them out of position
     
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  18. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    Do you love the bum fella?
     
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  19. goldie

    goldie Well-Known Member

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    I like licking hoops basically anything goes the more wrong the better.

    All straight though.
     
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  20. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

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    Apparently the defence isn't a priorty. Christ if Colo gets injured we will have a clogger in Williamson and a **** player in Saylor and the goals will come in from all angles.

    It was a Sophie's choice moment for Alan. He begged on bended knee, tears in his eyes, for both his minions Shola and Saylor to stay but the former got the dawn fire squad instead.

    I hate Pardew. I really, really, really hate him.
     
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