I'm assuming that is because you're not biggoted, unlike several folk who have commented on this thread. The lack of human decency is remarkable
If you lived in Leicester or Luton then I guess your "issue" would be with their substantial Asian population (rather than EU migrants) who would not be affected by the UKIP policy of shutting the doors to Europe. To deal with these second and third generation residents you are then looking at a much more unpleasant and frankly unmanageable policy of forced repatriation. We altready have immigration controls with all other countries outside the EU so voting for UKIP would make not a jot of difference to a Luton or Leicester resident.
This thread has been very balanced so far with a whole range of arguements and different opinions! There has been nothing extreme posted on here otherwise the Mods would have stepped in! The only time problems occur is when idiots like you think it's clever to start with the insults. It's lazy, tiresome and pathetic. By all means give your opinions but dont label others as being biggoted just because you dont agree with them!
Not quite sure why I was singled out for suggesting there was bigotry expressed in some people's views - I was hardly the first to do so. Have a wee look at the defintion and my guess is that you'll see evidence of bigotry in many sentiments expressed. it has nothing to do with people having views that don't tally with mine. Extremism has nothing to do with it with either Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, evaluative orientation, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.
There's nothing biggoted about wanting control over your own borders and having a properly managed immigration system! I think it is just common sense!
Must admit I've been pleasantly surprised thus far, I was half expecting this thread to deteriorate into an unpleasant mess with people leaving left, right and centre (rather like lib dem voters ), but so far it's been a pretty reasonable discussion so far! Hopefully that can continue!
How is standing up for your own country being bigoted. So if when i give to charity and i expressly say i want it to be solely used for charities in this country, and not overseas, does that make me a bigot?
Not that I'm aware of- I can'ty even begin to imagine why you asked the question. However, if you are referring to a blanket ban on foreign aid, then i think the issue is about what the drivers are for that decision, there can be amny decent reasons and many that are less so
I suppose that depends on what is meant by control and what a properly managed system means and the reasons that underpin it.
because basically this is what the UKIP vote was all about, people caring about want happens to the country. more and more we are tied by euro red tape and we are losing the ability to decide for ourselves what happens and the future of the united Kingdom. thats my take on it anyway.
The way they're going a Lib Dem MP will be rarer than hen's teeth after the General Election! I dont know how big a majority Norman Lamb has in North Norfolk but the Lib Dems will lose Cambridge to Labour! EDIT The tuition Fees debacle will cost Clegg plenty of votes in the University Towns and will probably see him lose his own seat in Sheffield!
0.7%, or £1.1bn, of total benefit expenditure is overpaid due to fraud...stats from here So about 0.7p on the pound, or a couple of slices of bread.
I'm in Sheffield, and really cannot see Clegg getting back in. Two big universities here which have big student populations (touching 100,000) spread over 3 of his 5 wards. I wouldn't fancy his chances anyway!
I dont think he will be that worried to be honest with you! A big job in Europe awaits with all the perks or failing that he will be kicked upstairs to the Lords!
You have to be working here to claim it.Here's a report from the Telegraph. HOME»NEWS»MAJOR NEWS Britain pays child benefit for more than 50,000 children living abroad British taxpayers are funding child benefit payments for 37,900 children who live in Poland, Treasury figures show. Polski Sklep sign in Manchester, UK: Teenager refused service at Polish shop in East Yorkshire for 'being British' Polish shop in UK: If a worker from an EU country pays tax in Britain the UK takes responsibility for paying child benefit to children they have left behind Photo: RII SCHROER By Rebecca Lefort 10:00PM GMT 31 Oct 2009 The money is going to support children who have remained behind in their homeland while one or both of their parents lives and works in the UK. The cost is estimated at more than £20 million a year. The number of claims has risen by 20 per cent in the past year, despite a slowing in the overall rate of immigration from eastern Europe. The figures, released to Parliament, reveal the impact of European Union rules which allow migrant workers who pay taxes in their host country to claim benefits there, even if they have left their families behind. The findings come as an ICM opinion poll for The Sunday Telegraph today shows that two thirds of voters â 66 per cent â believe that the number of immigrants currently in Britain is too high. Poles make up the majority of 51,000 children, from more than 30,000 families, living outside the UK who are supported with child benefit payments from British taxpayers. Related Articles Lawyers claim £645 million family breakdown legal aid bill 17 Apr 2011 Why are we paying child benefit in Poland? 01 Nov 2009 The payouts come despite assurances given by ministers, when the decision was taken to allow citizens of new EU member states including Poland to live and work freely in the UK, that new migrants would not immediately be eligible for most benefits. Because British handouts are much higher than many other countries' payments â particularly in eastern Europe, where the cost of living is lower â the benefits appear huge to many migrants. In some cases the overseas claimants receive the full UK rate of benefit â £20 a week for the first child and £13.20 for others. In other cases, they receive benefit from their homeland's government plus a "top-up" payment from the UK government to raise the total to UK levels. In Poland, the equivalent of child benefit is around £5 a week or less. The Treasury has refused to put a figure on the total cost of supporting youngsters abroad. Even if most of the Polish claimants are not getting the full rate from Britain, the total cost of the payouts to Polish families is estimated at more than £24 million a year. Between March 2008 and October 2009 the number of children living in Poland but supported by British handouts jumped from 31,400 to 37,900. Children supported in other countries include 2,500 in Slovakia, 2,300 in French and 1,800 in Ireland. Only 500 received the support in Germany, and only four in Iceland. Philip Hammond, the Conservative Treasury spokesman, said: "With Britain facing a debt crisis and the Government's child poverty strategy in tatters, it beggars belief that Gordon Brown is continuing to send millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to children who don't even live in this country. "It's yet more evidence that he is completely out of touch with the concerns of ordinary families struggling to make ends meet in these difficult times." Ania Heasley, who runs the Ania's Poland website, which helps Poles settle in Britain, said the payments were a big incentive to people considering moving to Britain to work. "The typical scenario is that the father comes to the UK and works here, and if he is the main breadwinner or declares himself financially responsible then even if his child lives in Poland he can claim child benefit and will get the full amount," she said. "It is much much less in Poland, which is why they apply here. "There was an outcry before about children who have never set foot in Britain getting these benefits and the reaction was that it couldn't be true, but it is true and thousands of people do it. "They feel it is their right, they are taking advantage of the rules that are there. They are not doing anything illegal; this is there for the taking. "Originally people were surprised and said 'This is great,' but now there is so much information in Poland about the benefits that they all know about it. "In Poland the benefits are getting less and less, but the advice when coming over to Britain is that you can add that to your salary. They are so happy about the welfare system." If a worker from an EU country pays tax in Britain the UK takes responsibility for paying the full amount of child benefit to children they have left behind unless another parent is working and claiming in the home country. However, even if another country is paying some benefits, Britain must add extra if the child's native country's benefit rate is lower than the UK's. A spokesman for HM Revenue and Customs said the payments to foreigners accounted for a only "tiny fraction" of the 7.5 million total child benefit payments. He added: "The main purpose of child benefit is to support families living in the UK, and so the general rules for this benefit mean it is not paid to children who live outside the UK. "However, under EU rules, which have been in place since the United Kingdom joined the European Economic Community in 1973 and which are applied by all Member States, a European Economic Area national working and paying compulsory social security contributions in one EEA country can claim family benefits for their family resident in another EEA country. "The purpose of these rules is to help guarantee rights of free movement for workers throughout the EEA." According to the ICM poll for this newspaper, despite the widespread view that there are too many immigrants in Britain, voters are deeply divided on what ought to be done. Asked which party had the best approach to approach immigration, 27 per cent backed the Tories, followed by Labour (18 per cent), the Liberal Democrats (16 per cent) and the British National Party (11 per cent). However, when participants in the survey were asked about specific policies without being told which party backed which policy, a clear majority â 54 per cent â supported the Government's current regime of a points-based system to restrict numbers from outside the European Union. This was comfortably ahead of the Conservatives' policy of setting an annual cap on immigrant numbers (28 per cent) as well as the BNP's demand for a total ban on immigration (15 per cent).
Grr... bloody unfortunate, sometimes impoverished, hopeful, foreign children... taking their parents' and our hard earned tax money... makes my blood boil...
In other news: http://www.theguardian.com/society/...tution-uk-national-accounts#start-of-comments Bahahaha! Brilliant. Just brilliant. Sterling work by the Con-Dem coalition.
