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OT - UKIP, surely we can do betterthan this

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by Norfolkbhoy, May 27, 2014.

  1. JKCanary

    JKCanary Guest

    With due respect Warky, I disagree.
     
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  2. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough!

    Maybe you are too young to remember the 1970s when Tax on unearned income was 98% The Top rate of income TAX was at an eye watering 83% I dont want to go back to those days!

    I want to pay my fair share of TAX but I resent being overly burdened! 40% Top rate of TAX is about right!
     
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  3. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Any ideological or economic reasoning for that?
    And any ideas how the lost tax would be recovered?
     
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  4. JKCanary

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    It's my opinion that income disparity is a massive burden on global society. Not just in terms of social problems either, the IMF have published moreover that income disparity hinders overall economic growth.
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/26/uk-imf-inequality-idUKBREA1P1PH20140226
     
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  5. Rich44

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    I've seen the figures it's a few billion more than £16bn goes unclaimed!

    Yet something like over £100bn is lost on tax avoidance.

    You tell me where the priority should be!

    Staff involved :

    Benefit fraud over 2000
    Tax avoidance <500

    Shocking
     
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  6. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    I just dont see why people would want to pay more of their hard earned money in Tax! If you Tax people too much the mega wealthy will find ways of avoiding paying it. There is a fine balance to be struck and I think that 40% at the top rate is about right! Why should we always penalise the middle classes?
     
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  7. KIO

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    Now where did you get that idea from Warky ? ;)
     
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  8. KIO

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    O/T I see that today is the day that we have been officially relegated to the Championship on not606 <wah>
     
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  9. johnnywarksmoustache

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    And have you noticed who is directly above you in the table! <whistle>
     
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  10. Tony_Munky_Canary

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    Yeah, why should we when we've got all those horrible, working class folk to piss and **** all over?
     
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  11. johnnywarksmoustache

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    Your words fella, not mine! <ok>

    I am working class but I dont hate or envy the rich for being rich!
     
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  12. ColkOfTheBarclay

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    I dislike that is the rich get such preferencial treatment over those that haven't got money. And that's the real issue with politics on this country. It's not about policies for the people and trying to make everyone's lives better. It's about which company has the biggest cheque and how best our politicians can pander to them, that's certainly the case with our current crop.
     
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  13. Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed

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    **** sake <doh>
     
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  14. Cruyff's Turn

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    Just down the road from me there is a huge asparagus farm and it is being picked almost exclusively by Eastern European labour.The farmer is housing them in caravans and I doubt that they are getting the minimum wage.Now if the "scroungers" want to do that work they will have to pay their rent,their council tax which those workers will not be and get themselves to work.(The farmer is using a minibus to take them to and from the caravans) So they are not competing on an even playing field.

    I don't blame the workers but the multi-millionaire farmer for this situation.But you can see who the indigenous unemployed will blame.And JWM wants them to take these jobs at what three or four pounds an hour?
     
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  15. Canary Rob

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    All due respect CT, but I doubt that the farmer is making millions out of that. And I'd be very surprised if he's not paying them properly - it wouldn't be worth it.
     
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  16. Cruyff's Turn

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    If you read what I wrote I didn't say he was making millionsout of the crop.He owns around two thousand acres and that will be worth at least £15million.The work is most likely contracted out by gangmasters.I bet they are on either sub minimum wage or,worse still,piecework.

    When there are enough proper jobs to go round I will start listening to those who criticise the unemployed.They are,by and large,the victims in this,hence the rise of UKIP.
     
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  18. lifecheshirewhite

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    People vote UKIP because there is a limit to how many people can fit in this little country,and many feel we are very close to that number.Also many are not happy with our TAX being sent to Poland,Romania etc in benefits when they don't live here.

    PS If the Banks and the rich through there greed got the country and the world in a mess,why do we all have to pay it back ? the average working man didn't borrow multi millions.Banks and the rich who gained in the greed years should pay it all back themselves.
     
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  19. Rich44

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    Exactly I guarantee they are not on minimum wage, if they're being housed and shuttled around that will also be deducted from their wages.

    I used to live near Wisbech and knew many Russians, Lithuanians, Poles etc honest hard working people most of them. Given the choice if employing directly most land owners (that I knew) would employ the "foreigners" over local labour not because of paying less but because the British workers were lazier and unreliable in comparison.

    At the end of the day perhaps it's time we accepted that we will have to pay more for our food and make the industry pay better?

    Used to know a couple of very nasty gang masters, handy if you wanted someone to be given a kicking but thoroughly unpleasant chaps. They used to take a transit to Europe bring back another dozen workers, stick loads of them in a house sometimes 20-30, confiscate passports and then take em to work at the end of the week they'd deduct transport, a finders fee for bringing em over and housing costs they were often left with well under £100 for their work.
     
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  20. Rich44

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    WTF? Who told you they're claiming benefits when they're not here that's news on me. By the way most of the Poles who came here, went home again.

    Think it's dangerous to point the finger at particular countries, all countries have scallies in them.

    Agreed on the banks. Should have let the banks collapse then rebuild by distributing all the billions used to prop them up to every adult in the country, on the proviso they spend it. That would've then solved the recession and not lined the bankers pockets too.
     
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