Indeed! the reasoning's on here are well beyond logic, it's like the clay saying to the potter, who are you?.................
In the grand scheme of things, who knows? You, me, Dragonborn, Einstein? We are all scratching the surface on that one, maybe one day life will evolve on them empty planets, though I doubt it very much, strange how with all the technology at our disposal today we have still not found life anywhere else in the universe? Never mind girls, I'm sure ET will be along shortly to help you all out!.....
Logic you say, where the hell is the Logic in evolution? Anyway don't throw in the towel so easily mate!...............
It would be difficult to find traces of life considering we cannot see planets in other solar systems, our technology is far too inferior for that level of confirmation. Additionally we cannot expect to detect any technological markers outside of the solar system as any signal that reached us may not have been invented here first, thus no receiver exists on Earth to detect it. If for instance our scientists find a new way to communicate vast distances with increased efficiency then we would no longer bother using radio, we must assume another technological species would abandon radio as well and there would be just a window of a couple hundred years it would be in use to pass our pass planet. Once the signal has passed it won't bounce back but will just carry on meaning we may didn't have a radio receiver invented early enough to hear it. Let's suppose we create a wormhole form of telecommunication, would a different species light years away detect it with their radio receivers? The answer is no. For all we know they could be knocking on the door but we ain't listening. To show how bad our technological prowess is, I wrote this post using a state of the art mobile device.... which autocorrects the rightly spelled words but misses the spelling mistakes and that is a complete failure of what it is meant to do. Does anyone really expect us to detect life around other stars when we can't even get spellcheckers to work properly?
We are by far very inferior in our development when trying to fathom out these fundamental questions, and whatever, or whoever put the physics of the universe in to operation is light years ahead of us, that much is clear, you make a valid point ProjectVRD, so why are scientists spending millions on these listening stations, and equipment that sends out signals into the universe?......
Anything is possible. If you imagine anything then it exists in your own mind at least ! What spins me out is if you point in any direction then you can travel in that direction for ever regardless what's in the way you can keep going beyond it . If we are ever to have a nose around far out there then I doubt it will be while using these fragile bodies so evolution to the next levels will include new technologies we develope . And sending our DNA, seed out there to one day evolve on other planets as the god particles lol.
Our Biological bodies could not stand the time measurements for space travel, it's simply fantasy or science fiction. as Stephen Hawkins once said: "According to the theory of relativity, nothing can travel faster than light. So the round trip to the nearest star would take at least 8 years, and to the centre of the galaxy, about a hundred thousand years. In science fiction, they overcome this difficulty, by space warps, or travel through extra dimensions. But I don't think these will ever be possible, no matter how intelligent life becomes. In the theory of relativity, if one can travel faster than light, one can also travel back in time. This would lead to problems with people going back, and changing the past. One would also expect to have seen large numbers of tourists from the future, curious to look at our quaint, old-fashioned ways." So clearly we were made, or evolved whichever you choose for this planet only.................
I still think anything is possible, we just have`nt sussed enough out to do certain things yet but who knows what we`ll discover by accident or by our curiosity in the future. Look how far we`ve come in the blink of an eye last 100 years ! open mind and all that. Did`nt the theory also conclude that faster than light travel would be only able to travel forward not back along the time line ?
Phill weren't you only just saying that scientists throw out their theories as they come up with new ones? Now you're quoting Hawking. You mentioned Star Trek and if you've read Lawrence Krauss's "Science of Star Trek" he's of the view that much of what they predicted has already come true and much will come true in the future. His sticking point was similar to Hawking's though and it's difficult to see how we'll get around the problems that vast distances of space present. One theory is indeed warp travel wereby space is 'wrapped' around the vessel to vastly reduce the distances involved. It'll come I'm sure.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Einstein "There are yet some people, who say there is no God, but what really makes me angry is that they quote me for support of such views." - Einstein "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Einstein "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." - Einstein "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind." - Einstein
Hawking is not infallible, as Einstein stated "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking." ... You started all this!............
Instead of logic try "common sense" instead, they're interchangeable. It's survival of the fittest and the winners pass their genes on. Winning traits are emphasised. Losing traits disappear. A obvious example is the "super bug". Why do you think it's becoming immune to treatment? Go on, have a guess. I'll give you a clue - it's something to do with evolution Don't start getting all scientific on me, you're too confusing as it is Phil
"Instead of logic try "common sense" instead, they're interchangeable. It's survival of the fittest and the winners pass their genes on. Winning traits are emphasised. Losing traits disappear. A obvious example is the "super bug". Why do you think it's becoming immune to treatment? Go on, have a guess. I'll give you a clue - it's something to do with evolution" Correct, and as stated in Dawkins's masterpiece "The Selfish Gene". If you don't agree with it then you're just sticking your fingers in your ears going 'La la la". There comes a point when science stops being a theory and is incontravertible fact.
Hell you've stirred a hornets nest with that QPR thread of yours Dragonborn, seems there could be something in this evolutionary theory, what a bunch of pond life these hoops are!.............
The Government are investigating the possibility of turning Loftus Road into an open prison. I thought it already was.
Smelly amphibian doesn't even live here wtf has it got to do with him if we are a tolerant or intolerant society ? Just goes to show he's a daily Nazi reader ! No wonder he likes qpr !
