OT Elections - changing allegiance

Some Ronald Reagan Quotes.


"A hippie is someone who looks like Tarzan, walks like Jane and smells like Cheetah."

"When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat."

"One way to make sure crime doesn't pay would be to let the government run it."

"I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I’m in a cabinet meeting."

"Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."

"A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his."

"I hope you're all Republicans." (to surgeons as he entered the operating room following his assassination attempt)

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

 

Just beautiful...

 

Come on James, they've only got six fingers.

 

Doesn't this make a nice change from threads on P***** and non-existent transfer targets.

 

That's a little rich bubble talking though, not actually what's happening. I work at a company, one of the thousands in this country, which is trimming staff, and upping prices. You greedy bastards use the financial recession as an excuse, but the conservatives have essentially created the dream monopoly for the rich and old. Thousands of young, talented people can't get jobs (not because there's not enough money for jobs to exist, but that companies are very actively seeking the best method of ****ing over those they provide a service too with the smallest spend) and they are forced to fight for what little opportunities there are out there like some kind of suited hunger games.

And before any labour fans erroneously believe I'm one of their champions, they can f*** off too, because they have helped in successively pushing the age limits at which people retire, meaning that there's even fewer jobs available for the young people who should be leading us out of the recession that old, fat dickheads from the last generation got us into.

The only reason on earth anyone would vote Conservative in a European election, is because they live in a lovely little rural suburb around Harrogate with no foreigners, and know the aresholes from the toff contingent have a vested interest in keeping it that way, and packing any immigrants into slums near the poor.

 

Quality, enjoyed that bit.

 

Mate, you do realise this is the same with Labour too? If anything they're worse because they wrap a velvet glove around that iron fist. They're all the same, even a young person with little experience about politics should be able to grasp this. All that's different to old governments is that anti-facism has become the new form of facism; it's a cunning way for the parties to induce fear and make people compliant.

 

I liked GB when it was self sufficient , and when people had rights at work for decent money aswell also contribute to there own communities . not starting off wars , letting every tom dick and harry in ..which they cant afford.

look after ya own that's my view .. which this current gov does ..but to themselves and no fooka else.

 

Isn't UKIP just an extension of capitalism/commercialism? Supply and demand, give the "people" what they want and they'll buy it. UKIP give everyone an excuse for the problems in their mundane, worthless existence, as in "it's not MY fault I'm a low-life scrounging benefit whore, it's the immigrants".

I'm not sure I follow the point in politics anymore, to be honest. Country is run by finance and business, propped up by workers. Everyone else is just, well, there.

 

Roughly Roland.

Who else thinks after the ukip success in Sundays results that Cameron will more eurosceptic than ever?

 

anyones better than this lot m8 .. greedy London basterds ..dont give a monkeys aboot us up here , feel sorry for the youth cause theres nowt here really ..
no prospects.

 

Of course you could not care less you fool because you know the safety nets have been put in place

 

Thatcher is just about defensible but Reagan ?

He was an idiot even before he became senile.

 

I have no doubt that it will cause that the predominantly older, poorly educated, bigoted and insular segment of the Conservative base will enjoy increased influence as a result of the success of their UKIP brethren. If Cameron told them to go to hell he might begin to win some respect from me but that is unlikely to happen

 

He basically made the education system that the US currently have.

 

Department of Education
When he was running for president in the 1980 election, Reagan called the newly created department "President Carter’s new bureaucratic boondoggle." He said he wanted to eliminate it and give “control” back to states and localities. Then in 1983, he changed his position after the release of the report “A Nation at Risk,” which warned of a “a rising tide of mediocrity.” With education becoming a political issue, Reagan told his secretary of education, Terrel Bell, to pursue excellence in education.


Standardized testing/accountability
A key tool for the Reagan administration to advance its education agenda was with standardized tests. In fact, rising test scores became linked to federal aid, but, according to a historical analysis of the history of American public education, the effort did not result in improvement in schools, just more testing.

By 1984, some schools started to admit that they were seeing higher dropout rates. "For the first time, we are seeing high-school dropout rates increasing," former state commissioner of education in Massachusetts, Greg Anrig, said. "Does this mean we are getting higher standards, or does the threat of tests encourage teachers just to get rid of kids who might not pass? In other words, are we having more push-outs? And doesn’t that tend to hurt minorities?"

Reagan’s second education secretary, William Bennett, continued to pursue a policy that focused on standardized testing. Bennett’s philosophy was that the department’s central role was to collect and disseminate program evaluation data. That approach sounds remarkably similar to education policy over the past decade.

Merit pay
After the report was released, Reagan resurrected merit pay, an idea that had been tried and abandoned, as a key focus of educational change. “Teachers should be paid and promoted on the basis of their merit,” he said. Teachers unions were opposed and the idea got no real traction -- until now. Linking teacher evaluation to test scores is one of the key reforms supported by President Obama's administration.

Mandatory prayer in public schools
Reagan called for a constitutional amendment mandating prayer in public schools, but as president he never did much to get Congress to go along.

Tuition tax credits for private schools
He supported them, but, as with mandatory prayer, didn’t do much to get Congress on board.




not really much of a claim to greatness imho

 

I've changed allegiance for this election. I can tell I'll be in a minority on here (what's new?) but for a long time now I have been a Liberal/Lib Dem voter. Not any more. I think they really misjudged their core vote when they decided to form a coalition with the Tories. Most of their voters came from a left of centre liberal standpoint and it betrayed the core vote when they teamed up with a right wing party who oppose most liberal views of the world.

I don't agree with what UKIP stands for, but I bet they would have the backbone to stand by their beliefs if they find themselves as king-makers after the next election. Even if Labour were the biggest single party I cannot see any way UKIP would form a coalition with a party that stands against all they believe in like the Lib Dems did. They would go with their more natural allies the Tories. I can't see myself trusting the Lib Dems again while the current leadership team is in charge.

I ended up voting Labour, but with no real conviction. I have lost faith with any of the Westminster parties when it comes to doing the best for the North-East. We are constantly ignored. The Tories know they will never do well here and so don't care when they cut our local budgets disproportionately compared to other councils, even increasing some council's budgets in marginals down south in the midlands and home counties. Labour are no better though. They take this area for granted as they assume we will blindly keep voting for them, without any investment in local infrastructure and without any real investment to create jobs. I'm losing faith in the lot of them.

 

The one and only time I've ever voted was the last general election, and I voted Lib Dem. Nick Clegg betrayed the voters, his party is finished.

 

You forgot to mention that he set the wheels in motion to denationalize education altogether.

 

Wasn't it also Reagan who set the US on the way to being the country that has locked up more of it's own people than every other country in the world combined ever has throughout history? And wasn't it Reagan who created the health reforms that gave greater control of the health system to private companies and set the wheels in motion to a situation where poor US citizens die of curable diseases because they cannot afford healthcare, or because they have reached their individual limit on treatment under their health insurance?