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F1 2015 Season: Lineup's - Rumours - News

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    They've got their own wind tunnel (that picture is actually of their existing wind tunnel, not one purpose built for F1), which is more than Marussia and Caterham have had. It's a significant investment, Caterham are still in a rented building I believe, they definitely started in one.
     
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  2. random92

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    I think he's been trying to get a deal with Dallara to do the chassis for him. Their last effort was the 2010 Hispania so they've got some history in recent F1.
     
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    Dallara have only ever produced mediocre F1 cars going back to the 90's.

    They are fine for mass-produced spec series, but just don't seem to have the expertise required to make the jump to what is required in F1.
     
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  4. random92

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    So it's a good start for the Haas entry then :emoticon-0110-tongu
     
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  5. Han Shot First

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    As a fan of sportscar racing as well as F1, i'd just say avoid anything with the name "Dallara" attached to it like the plague.
     
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  6. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Mass produced chassis, eh....now all they need is the dream team of Cecotto and Maldo to get through them all.
     
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    Whatever happened to A1GP? Team Venezuela would be a blast to watch...
     
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    They have a mountain to climb, But I fully expect Haas to do well. Not sure why there's a sense of some wanting them to fail.
     
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  9. random92

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    The problem will be getting the engineering talent to join him. If he manages that then he should be fine. If not, it'll be a very expensive distraction from his NASCAR activities.
     
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    Possibly, But they might get a swarm of talent if offered the potential big bucks he could come with.
     
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  11. random92

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    Keyword might. A lot of the really good guys have recently been taken up by new teams, with the exception of Ross Brawn but I really can't see him going stateside. He'll either rejoin Ferrari in the near future or at some point return to Mercedes if Toto is to be believed. The problem he's got is luring people, F1 talent is in Europe and it is a big commitment to up and move thousands of miles away.
     
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    Button would be the ideal man at Ferrari if Raikkonen slings his hook in a tantrum.

    He would be the perfect foil for Alonso. Smooth driver, not quite the raw one lap pace to really threaten him in qualifying, but the race craft to bring in some good results. Alonso would have to prove himself against another world champion but I think its hard for even a JB fan to say Jenson is quicker than Alonso so I don't think Jenson would de-rail an Alonso title bid.

    If McLaren were to look past Button, Jenson will not find a stronger team than Ferrari willing to take him.

    I'd love McLaren to produce a turnaround and Jenson to get the chance in a real quick car. But that right now looks unlikely and Jenson hasn't impressed.

    Ferrari is a potential move for both parties and I would not be surprised.
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

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    Depends on how big that pay cheque is. :p

    It may or may not be an issue, who knows? but I imagine they already have some targets in mind.
     
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  14. random92

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    You may well be right. Of course Ferrari would be mildly screwed if Alonso decided enough was enough. I don't think Button has the ability to win if the car isn't good. In a great car, he's pretty imperious (see some of his races in 2009) but whenever the McLaren was a bit iffy when paired with Lewis, Lewis managed to get more out of it.

    As much as it hurts, as a Ferrari fan, I don't think there will be a REALLY competitive red car for a little while yet. The 2015 car will be the first Allison design so hopefully that improves things but there is still the deficit to Mercedes in terms of horsepower.
     
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  15. random92

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    True, you wouldn't set up an operation without having an idea who you wanted to be involved. I just think he's been naive in making a point about having an American team. His desire to have an American F1 driver is probably not going to aid his push to be competitive, US drivers haven't ever set the sport alight.
     
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  16. DHCanary

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    It's not just the pay-check though, job security is going to be a big issue. You might be able to tempt some of the top talent with money, as they know they'll get a job elsewhere if Haas goes under, but the mid-level people they'll need might struggle to get another job in F1 if they end up unemployed in a couple of years. It's a big risk to take their entire family overseas, to potentially have to come back unemployed in a few years time.
     
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    I dunno about that. Alexander Rossi and Conor Daly are handy enough. I'd be following their GP2 efforts with great interest if I were Mr Haas.
     
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  18. random92

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    Agreed about Daly, Rossi has threatened to be good but I'd like to see him have some more time in an F1 car. The worst thing a new team can have is a driver moving up into F1. They don't know what a car SHOULD be like so they aren't going to be able to tell Haas what he's doing wrong so he can throw more money at it.
     
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    Yep, it's all very good having ideals, but you've got to learn to walk before you can run. Two experienced development drivers would make sense for their first season, then perhaps replace one with a young American.
     
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  20. random92

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    Agreed about the experience certainly for year one. That benefited Caterham (Team Lotus as they were) in 2010 as they had Trulli and Kovalainen. They finished as the best of the newcomers for their first three seasons. Marussia have now caught up but I'd imagine the initial experience was very helpful in developing the car. Having a young American could well be good for the sport, but setting up a team in order to maintain a national presence is probably only going to end in failure in the long run. That was always HRT's plan, admittedly they also had no money.
     
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