OT Nigel Farage Interview

My knuckles are firmly ensconced in their rightful place between the proximal and middle and distal phalanges and the arms being generally proportionate to the torso meaning they do not trail, drag or in any way impede my bodily movement whatsoever, I'll have you know.

Please retract that obscene characterisation...

 

Great posts on politics guys, lets start a discussion on religion tomorrow!

 

I recommend deep breaths, Swordsie.

You say irony when it feels like you're suggesting hypocrisy, or am I misreading you? I see no inconsistency between a once proud nation that systematically (and yes, at times reluctantly) handed back sovereignty to a succession of former Imperial countries, and one that rues the erosion of its own sovereignty.

The British Empire is an infinitely interesting topic and one that I confess I know too little about. It is fascinating how a relatively small nation could exert such influence and control over remote territories and peoples for the period of time that it did. Do we think we managed this exclusively using the business end of a gun or bayonet, or might it be that we also in some cases struck strategic, symbiotic alliances within these faraway lands? It is all too easy to think of the B.E. as having been won exclusively by an aggressive invading force, because this fits with the modern liberal apologists' abhorrence of our history.

 

Come now, are you really that paranoid or disingenuous to think I was referring to you? You may be a **** but you're not intellectually challenged.

 

Wonderful post!!

 

Why is it that anybody holding a point of view differing with the left-liberal is immediately labelled a bigot? It's lazy, dishonest and smacks of a more sinister intolerance than their opposition is accused of; one that seeks to gag debate on legitimate themes wherever it arises. This is why we now have these ridiculous 'incitement to...hatred' charges which gives the politically correct police constable (the PC PC?) carte blanche to interpret the words of others as he sees fit.

The other week we had a European parliamentary candidate arrested in Winchester for daring to read a passage from a speech of Churchill's about Islam. This was apparently deemed 'religious/racial (note: not 'race') harassment'. Were he alive today Churchill would have been long ago carted off to the nuthouse by the Islington Cabal.

 

And another!

 

"Islington cabal"? And you call the left loony. At least you openly admit to being racialist unlike many.

 

I have absolutely no problem with that. Indeed I would agree with it. But that's neither here nor there.

Yes I do mean hypocrisy.

Never mind the handing back for a moment or the, as you rather understatedly put it, "reluctant" side to it.

First of all, it wasn't in the UK's power to "gift" something to somebody that was rightfully theirs. You sound like it was an act of generosity on the UK's part even though, in most cases, Britain had no option but to cede power back to the people's of their respective Countries or risk having to fight long and protracted wars which did unfortunatley occur in some instances.

If you really can't see any inconsistency between building up a huge overseas Empire and looking back on it with a great sense of loss, yet on the other hand shouting and howling at the moon because Johnny Foreigner now has a say in the UK's affairs, then I'm afraid I'm at a loss as to how to proceed further with this part of the discussion.

Hypocrisy isn't a strong enough word my old pal.

 

And the PC PCs love to interpret it as 'incitement', it's an open goal for them now that they've given up proper policing...

 

Have I, Imaz? Where? That's a pretty serious comment to which I'd advise caution.

 

May I ask to whom you were referring then Sir?

I wouldn't worry about it Herr Uber. It wouldn't be a normal not606 day if Imaz didn't accuse somebody of racism.

 

No, I can't see any inconsistency, My Old Pal.

If you prefer winning football matches, is it hypocritical to hate losing them? If you enjoy being a key decision maker at work, is it hypocritical to dislike suddenly receiving them?

I'm sorry to hear of your loss; to which new part of the discussion do you suggest we proceed?

 

(Good luck with this one swords).

 

You can't see any inconsistency in denying Countries self-determination yet clamoring for your own self-determination as soon as a couple of pencil neck Krauts in Brussels tell you that you have to use smokeless fuel in your barbecue????

Bloody hell Ubes. Watch the indigestion there after you've had your cake and eaten it!

 

I think you're a bit off-beam here Swords. The British Empire, archaic though it was, was something that was of it's time. I think all the countries that were 'ruled' by 'Britannia' were given a basic infrastructure that served them well in developing to the point that they were ready to go their own way. That's not a patronising view, it's what was the way of the world at that time. Probably the UDI by Rhodesia was the breaking point that signalled our time was up in 'running' other countries

The 'Commonwealth' is still something that links us to our old colonies yet is something that is still valued by those member states. The difference with the EU is that many of the laws and diktats they pass are detrimental to this country and the amount we put into the EU is disproportionate compared to other member states. There is so much wrong with it that it is no wonder so many here want out. I can see your argument but it is not a like for like situation...

 

That's correct, Swordsie, I can't see any inconsistency. It seems to me to be a perfectly understandable human response to prefer to govern than be governed, if those are the only two choices available. I make no apology for that. If one's leaning is more towards a Marxoid-socialist society where everybody gets to simultaneously be the boss and the worker, and everybody comes first and nobody comes last, then I understand that that's not for you. But, then again, such societies don't exist.

 

Good points, Soops. Thanks.

 

Another excellent post!

 

An incredibly simplistic view of what was entailed in building up that Empire and holding it.

Not one drop of blood has been spilled by the European Union and not a single Nation was coerced under its tutelage.

Not only is the European Union a dreadful comparison to make with the British Empire because it was an entirely voluntary union of nations to begin with but to actually say its laws and diktats are worse than those inflicted often by brute force by our (Ireland was up to its neck in it too) old Empire is possibly the most innocent yet horrifying thing I've ever heard!

I'm beginning to worry for what passes as history GCSE standard in English State schools.