OT Nigel Farage Interview

I totally agree. Stalin V Hitler. Both ruled by fear. Both regularly purged their army. Both had a political branch of their military. Both would send people they considered undesirable to camps that in most cases meant death. (although it has to be said that only Hitler did it on an industrial scale) That's just off the top of my head. If i could be bothered to research more I'm sure I could come up with many more parallels but I can't get my mind of next sat.

 

Ok, I'll ask you straight out....Do you believe UKIP are intentionally aiming to gain the support of far right voters ?
Simple yes or no would suffice.

I could debate why the Left and Right have for years, fought for control of the streets physically and the rights and wrongs and why's if you so wish, but we ain't gonna change each others views so probably not worth it.

 

With great respect, it has always been a fact that the political spectrum isn't a straight line, with Left on one side, and Right on the other. Politics will always be a circle, and as stated, both can have very similar ideals. I honestly thought that bit was obvious.

 

No. And I say no because I genuinely believe that UKIP are not right wing organization in the same mould of the BNP or NF. Yes of course they are right of centre and will attract 'extremists' the same way your mob attract 'extremists' but they are addressing the swept under the carpet issues that the UK public want addressed that the other three will always avoid, like Europe, Immigration, etc...

 

It is obvious. Sadly a great many people in the political sphere over complicate thing in an attempt to hoodwink the masses. That means the obvious is sometimes lost. Also a great many people don't have the nous to create there own opinions and just follow the rest of the sheep. Something that i find really sad is people that vote a certain way cos their parents did. So what if someones parents voted a certain way. Times change and so do political parties. Read, listen, debunk and evaluate, then form an opinion. That's what I do in most things.

 

That's true when 'communist' regimes/movements turn totalitarian. But the fundamentally Fascism, essentially a death cult based on fear and ignorance and desire for a 'strong' authoritarian leader, could not be more different than the idealistic (and sadly unachievable by the evidence of this thread) objectives of communism, which theoretically ends up with no leaders as the state withers away. If you think Hitler and Stalin are the archetypes of fascism and communism then fine, but ideologically they (theoretical fascism and communism) are poles apart.

I'm intrigued as to why the 'right' wing commentators feel so viscerally threatened by those on the left. Come on lads, this is a right wing world, we have had explicitly anti socialist governments in Britain for 35 years, you've won. Even China is nicely right wing - capitalist, strong leadership, tough on immigration and minorities, big on capital punishment. Beats me why those who feel they are being oppressed here aren't trying to get in over there. Who cares if some journo has a pop at Farage, the fact is he has the right to say what he likes and you have the right to vote for him, we should all be grateful for some small freedoms. Just a shame that the quality of options we have is so pathetically low, as evidenced by Farage himself.

And lo and behold, the Falange still has a British wing (in exile)!

 

Then that's where we will just have to agree to disagree. As I posted earlier, even their own 'poster girl' Asian youth leader has left because of this. Even Griffin and the BNP are complaining that UKIP are 'ripping off' their posters and slogans. Surely there is no smoke without fire ?
But as I said, respect to your views mate.

 

Given that my views have sometimes been termed extreme by others, I have not posted on this subject, but I have kept a watching brief. Having just read the above post, I felt compelled to comment that I completely agree with what QPR said. One MUST develop their own opinions and beliefs, not be led blindly by what they read in the press or are told by their peers.

 

Ditto!

 

The thing that I find about the far left and far right is their attitude of...... 'if your not with me, you must be against me.' They both turn anyone with a different opinion into enemies. The U.S.A and U.S.S.R in the 50's is a good example of this.

 

Yeah, racialism.

 

W@nker!

 

All this 'adverse' publicity is doing UKIP no harm at all, they've stretched to a double figure percentage lead in the latest opinion poll:

UKIP 35%
Labour 24%
Tories 20%
Greens 7%
LibDems 6%

As I stated earlier, they'll give the big parties a black eye in the Euros but the General Election will be a different ball game altogether...

 

This country is no ****hole mate but I agree any culture has long left

I agree with you we have a mentality that all about talk .. words and no action and many wishy washy types

I see many pretending to be all PC ... carrots sticks and humous until something lands on their doorstep and before you know they have turned all anglo saxon on your arse

Strip off naked and look in the mirror. You are just a man in a panda's body

 

Madrid is right IMO UKIP are not what i would call right wing and are currently used as the whipping boys of politics. The three major parties organise and control the media and use UKIP for FaceTime

UKIP, Tories, LIBs and what was Labour are all the same just little puppets to the real powers that be ... don't waste your thoughts on any of it IMO. All the parties will be guilty of some sort of racism and extremist views if you dig deep enough. UKIP look very dangerous to the main parties because there could be real support for them if they got there arse in gear ... hence they are shot down every chance the the main parties get

Tell me what politics currently used today has any meat on it?

I don't deserve to vote anyway and will i guess join the millions who prefer not to ... I am waiting for the Zombie Apocalypse where all colours unite against one enemy ... I will stand for leadership if i can stop eating my own hands and feet

 

Nope. You'll have a little bit of a protest now, cos most people don't care about who is in Europe. Once the General Election comes round next May, it'll be the same as always. Tories v Labour, with the likelihood of a coalition or a minority government. What scares me most is the thought of a coalition including UKIP, of any leading colour.

It's all academic, of course, if Scotland votes for independence. If that happens, it'll be a majority Tory government, because without the support of Scottish Labour seats, Milibland hasn't a scooby's....

 

Uber, can't you see how ironic it is that you get Conservative types who one time would have been banging the jingoistic drum of imperialism and Empire (the total opposite of self-determination) but now are ranting and raving about independence and self-determination?

I find it amusing but at other times it makes me a tinsy wincy bit annoyed if I'm honest.

 

Good post. For all the Left's many faults when were they last heard ranting about immigrants, Asians, Gays, the unemployed, taxes, Romanians, Poles, Bulgarians, Jews, Muslims, socialists, communists, Iran, Palestine, the EU, the Euro and much more? Bigotry like that is firmly in the hands of the Right as this thread clearly shows. (knuckledragger possibly excused as he genuinely seems not all here)

There is no Left anyway. The SWP are a petit bourgeois farce led by an aristocrat (Callinicos) and run like a Mafia. The handling of the "Comrade Delta" (Martin Smith) rape accusations by the diciplinary and central committees full of his mates and subsequent giving him a job at a university sociology department beggars belief in their utter dishonesty.

There will never be change lead from the top as history shows and the arrogance of those who have attempted it has set us back decades if not longer. Inevitably they have been shown to have been infiltrated puppets of the state and their services. See the the BR, the RAF, Prima Linea, UCC, Mario Moretti, Renato Curcio and so on.

 

Would you agree that hard-line religious groupings, the most obvious one being Islam, are also totalitarian and fascist in nature?

 

Zionism certainly is. Avigdor Lieberman is the epitome of a fascist.