I have always admired what the board have done for the club, however why does HJ have to open his mouth all the time. You have the issue when he contradicted ML in the programme regarding how important the big clubs are, and now he comes out with this little pearler "The thing you would say about the squad in general is that a lot of the players we brought in last year didn't make the starting XI. Ultimately, it doesn't matter where players come from, as long as they are good enough, it will be fine. The change we need to make (from last year) is to ensure they are good enough." I am all for being honest, but you cannot come out and say that, it does nothing for confidence levels. He is the chairman ffs. I can only assume he is on about the likes of Canas, Pozuelo who have since disappeared from the team, so is this more of a personal dig, I would say so. As although they have not been around, Pozuelo always showed his potential, as did Canas, I admire both players, and you cannot forget that the English game is not a join and slot right in type of league, Pablo has shown that, he always showed glimpses of magic but its taken him time to get used to it. So who do you think he is on about? Bony? Shelvey? Amat? Canas? Pozuelo? Emnes? Ngog?
Amat, Tiendalli, Canas, Poz, Vasquez, NGog, Lamah. All true from HJ, all of these players are not better than the players already there, except Amat possibly.
Amat - One for the future, but has enough in his locker to play. Tiendalli - Never rated him Canas - Rate him, just needs time to get into the pace of our game Pozuelo - Just like Canas, rate him, just needs to get up to speed Vasquez and Lamah are both loan players, and I don't want us to have loan players fitting into our first 11, we want our own players in the starting line up. Else we would be no better than West Brom, who have struggled without Lukaku. For me, Amat, Pozuelo and Canas are good players, who with time will get up to speed, but 2 of them have been frozen out since ML was sacked. And we do not know why.
Not sure about this because it implies HJ hs simply done a press release whereas I suspect he was asked and gave an answer, so you have to put this in context. I think that generally he's probably referring to Ngog and Vasquez who are clearly not up to this level. When you look at the wages they were on, particularly Ngog, the return was poor so he's right.
I agree with HJ and I agree with his right to say it. generally a lot of players over the last 18 months have been pants. Even Canas and Pozeulo are less than conclusive - Canas gives the ball away a shocking amount, or hacks a player on the edge of the box, or spends half his time out of position. In my opinion he's a real liability and I hope he's shipped out. Pozeulo had flashes of promise but he needs to learn some positional sense, he can't just dribble inside all the time. I think he will improve though, so I'd keep him. As for Amat, mixed feelings. If you look at the goals we concede, he's directly responsible for a lot of them. Bench warmer at best. I'd put him below Bartley in the pecking order. Other players are also on the edge. I don't think Tremmel is up to it any more, and don't even get me started about Tiendalli. Why did he ever come here, and why is he still here? Shelvey is obviously fine, and a starter every time in my books. So overall I agree with HJ. We've signed a lot of dross over the last few years, so what's the problem with the chairman recognising this and making sure we pull our socks up? Surely we should only be worried if he wasn't saying these things. As for his right to speak up - are you serious? He's the chairman of the club FFS!
I just don't like the idea of it being aired, it cant do any good for the players confidence. Yes have a quiet word with the team, but if these players are still here next season, its not doing us any favours by being mentioned in public. Things like this can cause a lot more problems than it can solve because it can form splits.
Huw lost the plot as a chairman this season and has been trying to justify it on person level along the way , Our 100th season was a dream , 101st was a nightmare due to Huw and the board . For all intents and purposes , Huw is our new manager and knows he can steer Monk around , it may be Monks lips moving but its Huw doing the talking , very troubling Imo .
Given the money we paid for Canas and Pozuelo, only an idiot would expect them to fit in right away with the pace and quality of the Premier League. Both could have been better but it is understandable why they weren't. They need time and games to get up to speed and improve. Canas will because he has the dog and character to do it. Poz seems a bit more of a petulant individual but he possesses that priceless commodity of flair and unpredictability. He has the potential to play for a much bigger club than us...... if handled properly. If politics allow, and I'm guessing there's a strong undercurrent of this at the club right now, I hope they'll be given a chance next season. Let's not forget the likes of Henry and others who were distinctly average in their first season or two before blossoming into top class PL players. Daft not to give Canas and Poz their chance..... if they want it.
Wasnt any money involved so he wouldnt have cared valley , if Poz hits the pavement , its a huge mistake that will have had nothing to do with talent and that bothers me . Huw been in the media talking transfers and Monk sits players for personal reasons imo , a bad receipe.I live in hope that im to staunch in my reaction to the events of this season but have little optimism on the coming season . Those that want to fall in line with management and are happy , fill your boots .... but let others live in the misery of their thoughts , I still love the team
Surely it's a ******ed statement anyway as in a squad of 22, half are not going to be in the starting 11. Canas and Poz were getting opportunities and it's the sh!te that Huw brought in Lita, N'gog, Lamah that were the dross. Only himself to blame. Will he put his money where his mouth is to better the squad though?
I was probably one, Valley, but more in hope than conviction. It was always going to take a season for players from another country/league to settle in and get to grips with the Premier League - the pace, the quality, the physicality and so on, not to mention language problems and adapting to a different culture etc. It does take time. Of course, top quality players like Michu and Bony can settle in quickly but it is hit and miss. I refer again to Thierry Henry who was distinctly average for his first season or two. We've bedded in the likes of Canas, Poz and Amat and I feel it would be a shame to let another club get the benefit of the preparation we've given them. Collectively they cost peanuts and, at their best, they can all play at this level, so it would be worthwhile keeping them to see if they can achieve more consistency next season. That's if politics allow, of course......
Agree with pretty much most of your view here campionijack, though I would disagree with the fact that just because Huw is the chairman, he can say what he likes, matter of fact he is under more scrutiny than most, and the players will read it, and if it's not constructive then he should not be saying it. I agree with swansalona on this, and you need to reflect on the fact that while we could put some names to this category that Huw is referring to such as Tiendalli, Ngog, and Vasquez, it raises to much suspicion on other players that could well not be on Jenkins mind. Huw Jenkins has a history of doing this over the years, and I distinctly remember putting up a thread with a very similar title as this of 'Why does Jenkins have to open his big mouth' on the old BBC 606, and the BBC subsequently put my comment into the article they ran on the subject, many criticised me for making the statement, but for me it was relevant to an issue regarding Huw Jenkins, and that is while he is a very good chairman in many respects, he does have a failing of putting his foot in it, when issues arise at the club, and the media are sniffing, he's not media savvy enough for me, and swanselona is right to focus on the issue, well that's how I see it, I must admit though I'm very forgiving of Huw's media bloomers these days, though I wasn't back then on the old BBC 606!........................
Huw Jenkins is a model of considered statesmanship compared to most PL chairmen. Just ask out lower league cousins up the road...
Well to be honest if he is talking about Amat, Canas and pos. He needs to keep quiet. Amat has grown into the Pl and seems to improve every game. He is stillonly young at 22 and i cant ever remeber him letting us down. He will continue to improve. Canas, I like Canas he does the invisible stuff. Because he is not hitting 30 yard passes, scoring goals or defence splitting passes, people think he is poor. What he does is protect the back 4 very well. He breaks play up and then gives it to people who can play. he made over 20 appearances and again cant rember him letting us down. Pozuelo, when I first saw him i thought Wow we have a bargain here. He has all the talent in the world. I feel a little bit sorry for him as Ml kept playing him wide and he is a central player. I still believe that in time he will come good. HJ should look at the signings of Donnelly and Situ first off.
Jenkins is the mouthpiece responsible to the Board who pull the strings. Lita was brought to the club by Brendan Rodgers and Lamah by Laudrup. Pozuelo and Amat are both young players with potential for development. The jury is out on Canas and with Jay Fulton knocking on the door his time may be up. The representatives of most clubs say they would like to improve their teams. Nothing new there. I have to say some posters love conspiracy theories.
When he directly mentioned players brought in recently, then its not just as simple as saying we need to improve though is it.
So who do you think he is on about? Bony? Would hope not Shelvey? Would hope not (but he's another who fail to be consistent) Amat? Would hope not - a young player in a new situation who hasn't had that much game time; he has been very good alongside experienced players Chico, Williams & Rangel. Canas? Possibly - started well but went off the boil and rightly dropped, but does he have another gear ala Pablo? Pozuelo? Hope not - one of the younger stars when he has played another with great skill and passion but does Monk know how to get that from him? Emnes? Hope not and expect him make the funds available for a permanent signing Ngog? Probably but had almost no game time. Vasquez? Probably Donnelly? Probably Jay Fulton has received rave reviews from some quarters for his game and a bit - anyone else a bit non-plussed by this? I don't think he did anything wrong but there again he didn't do anything much.
I read that before I saw this thread and thought it was positive. No problem for me. If it upsets some sensitive little lambs then tough. They're paid enough to be professional and can fight for their place against anyone better coming in.
