Maybe red bull just have that advanyage in qualifying because they have one of the best drivers ever over 1 lap. Notice that it doesn't seem to help webber, and he's no slouch at qualifying either, Vettel is just in another league in qualifying.
could well be, I've not paid too much attention to the Mercedes. However the Renault produces its downforce midway down the car from the front blowing exhausts, so rebalancing may not be such an issue as with the rear blown diffusers. Lets not forget, they could all choose to run an aggressive map in quali and keep it for the race, they'll just need to add more fuel to the car. The changes may help Vettels reputation. If he now starts qualifying further down the grid but pulling out wins he'll get a lot more respect. So far he's a front row winner, hardly an achievement in the fastest car on the grid.
In the main, I concur sir. However, the curve ball is Newey. It may be that he is two steps ahead of the game and has something up his sleeve to improve on or counter the changes. So it could actually end up being more: Renault Mercedes McLaren Red Bull Ferrari Whatever happens, it is a mouth watering prospect for the race and the excitement it could generate. It may be that the other teams close the gap between themselves and RBR in quali, but I wonder what effect it will have on race pace. If nothing else, it's like a reset back to the beginning of the season and the unknown factor of teams pace.
I like how Red bull say Mclaren have made a good copy of them but they already have a way around. Its like they lured them into a trap
Spot on. I don't see red bull as the biggest victims. It's renault who are going to be hurting the most from this ban. Maybe sauber will leapfrog them.
I heard sauber are "unkown" since they were alright without the EBD and still alright with the blown diffuser included. Though it is a far better car on race pace than qualifying, could see Kamui and Sergio fight for 7th.
What evidence are you basing this ridiculous conspiracy theory on? What technical knowledge do you posses that allows you to make such concrete claims of who will benefit most from these rule changes. Where does Todt and Luca Di Montezemolo's hate of eachother fit in, why would Todt be so keen to help the team of someone he hates.
I'm wondering that if a team can't use off throttle blowing then will they bother blowing the diffuser or floor at all? Lifting off for some reason through a fast corner would instantly unbalance the car. Vettels crash with Button in Spa showed how suseptable F1 cars are to changes in balance, you can see from the onboard videos how his turn basically crashed itself as soon as he left Button slip stream,
I said nothing about todt and luca hating each other. If they worked together for over ten years, then things couldn't be that bad. Most people on here, barring you, seem to know that ferrari will benefit the most from this ban. Are you so ****ing blind that you cant see that. Ferrari have been out qualified by the two other big teams, yet have similar race pace. This means their exhaust blown diffuser does not work as well as the two teams above them. If it were red bull or mclaren trailing, with ferrari having the best system, i guarantee that the rules wouldn't be changed, and ferrari could keep winning as they pleased. Are you Jean todt by any chance, trying to justify this ridiculuos ban?
Hi Max, my apologies for not having found forum time recently. You may have already arrived at a conclusion to your question by now but I mentioned Ferrari because in my view, they appear to have been the last of the top teams to have really focussed resources on the concept. This would suggest that they have had more recent running where they utilised the idea less than the other three, especially Red Bull but also McLaren who were very keen to get to grips with the idea and as far as I am aware, put a lot of effort into it before Ferrari and Mercedes. This is why I agreed with Cowboyfromhell about Ferrari, since although all teams will lose performance, Ferrari look set to lose the least. And now I'll say something perhaps more controversial: I believe that McLaren have the best team of drivers to make up any shortfall during this transition, so we could see them benefiting on track as much as Ferrari. Of course, this is all conjectureâ¦
Hey guys - Jacky and Cowboy… In the absence of effective moderation at this moment, can you guys try to be a little more respectful to one another? You both make good points but the interaction is becoming aggressive and doesn't help the debate, since personal conflict tends to get in the way. Take a chill pill and try to get along eh? Deep breath and all that?
Thanks for that, Cosi, and certainly no need to apologise. Well, there's no shortage of conjecture or excitement about these latest directives, it's almost as if that's what they were expressly designed to do! The thing that surprises me about all the speculation is more about McLaren than Ferrari, as in their qualifying performance, or lack of it, relative to their race pace. I also doubt that the Red Bull's superlative quali performance relies solely on the engine mapping. Other than that, I haven't a clue what to expect but I can't wait to find out
Yes Max, I agree: it will be very interesting to see what happens this weekend to see how it all plays out…
Red bull take it easy in races due to tyre wear issues. They stated that before, that the tyres go away too quickly if they push hard. That's why vettel will build up a gap of 5 seconds, and then slow down.
Is there any chance we might see any evidence of the impact of the change during free practice? I don't expect any but I wonder, since FP1 and FP2 are usually geared towards testing and race setup, whether the teams who think they'll lose out the most might be inclined to try to recover qualifying pace?
Good point Genji. I believe there is indeed at least a chance, and that if a new order emerges, we will see most evidence of it in FP2 and FP3.
I agree with your comments about the driver line up at McLaren. I think Alonso may also cope well, however Massa isn't looking as good as he used to pre-accident. Kubica could also have been one to make a quick benefit too had he raced this year. We don't know enough about Vettel t make a call yet. If the RB's aren't topping the timesheets in the last or last 2 FP's then I think we have a good indicator. I'd only put my money where my mouth is though after quali though.
