"For me it's better to keep things as they are because a dismissed female coach will claim sexism." The way forward on this is probably akin to Top Gun, where the tactics analyst was female but not a field-proven pilot. As women get more involved in all the other aspects bar being manager, then the player culture will change to a point where a female manager occurs becomes no big deal. I remember in the 1980s in cycling when female soigneurs started appearing on team rosters (think that was a USA thing) . The usual initial contempt and disdain, but at the end of the day all the riders really care about is that they are getting their musettes correctly made up, proper post-race massages etc. I recall a story about Shelley Verses (the first prominent female soigneur) wrapping up her riders' food items in pages from porno mags.
Thor, I don't know why you're having a pop at me mate, I'm on the fence with this one. My above comment was not directed at you or your opinion. In fact a few years ago, I might have said something very similar to yourshelf.
Bajan, my post was not directed at you at all but in general to those who are judging me as sexist. Explain why King. RDBD I do not see the introduction of female coaches as a way forward or an improvement, that's all I'm saying.
"I do not see the introduction of female coaches as a way forward or an improvement" How can doubling the potential resource/talent pool for any endeavour not be an improvement or way forward ??
I imagine that present women's football teams have women coaches and I see absolutely no worldwide interest in the women's game. I hear no woman's name mentioned in the news as being a good coach. Do you have any one particular woman in mind for the Spurs job, or the Chelsea job or any job in the men's game RD?
"I hear no woman's name mentioned in the news as being a good coach. Do you have any one particular woman in mind for the Spurs job, or the Chelsea job or any job in the men's game RD?" A very poor attempt to be facetious. That aside, in any field or endeavour, someone has to be the first. To discourage/dismiss that someone on gender basis is quite embarrassing.
We are on different wavelengths if you think my post was facetious RD. It was NOT facetious. Name me the one you think will be first then.
"Name me the one you think will be first then." I don't have to name the first. For the debate is whether there is something inherent in the XX chromosomes, together with the specific nature of the game of football, that means women are by definition incapable of rising to the levels of competence in coaching/managing that men do. I contend that neither of the above is true. I am open to cogent proof/presentation as to why I may be wrong.
Thor, you have me to blame for people thinking you're a female as I was on DL's profile and saw your visitor message which ended with "now this may surprise you...Dawn Jay".
It is impossible to imagine that amongst the 2 billion women in the world, there are none that could coach successfully. Saying that this is true is therefore sexist.
Its not so much a woman doesn't naturally have the ability, its solely because football is a male dominated sport and football as we know it is a male sport, regardless of the fact women's football is on the rise. We are seeing more women take up roles in the media and interestingly on the radio this lady who worked as a coach made a good point that men find it easier to focus on one thing emoticon-0115-inlov) but when it comes to work men can put all their effort into work, while women find it hard to focus on one set aspect of their life as they have more to juggle, so she agreed that it will be tough for a woman to make it in a male dominated sport, as sport is different to business, in business you have successful men and women in most sectors so once the male staff get over the fact they have a women in charge, the female boss can lean on her experience of knowing her field. In football, it would take a female who can step away from the feminine type approach, adapt to the male macho environment and be taken serious when talking about tactics. Picture this, half time and the team is 3-0 down, the manager comes charging in mouthing off, her voice starts to screech and she starts talking about tactics and trying to give the hair dryer treatment, players won't respect a woman trying to tell them how to perform when no female has played at the level they have played and yes they will find it hard to take her serious, that may be sexism but it will take a female with outstanding presence (probably not higher then a DD ). In certain sports like Tennis, Athletics etc women can stand side by side and even ahead of men in terms of their knowledge and be respected but football, its going to take a long, long time before womens football even gets as much respect as the championship, let alone the very top level and until womens football gets to that level, I can't see how a woman can move into the mens game and have the ability to not just manage but gain the respect of players.
I'm mostly OK with that Boss. The main point is that even if there is only one woman in the world with the ability to be a football manager, then not considering her because she is a woman is sexist. You see this sort of sexism all over the place. eg most people agree that boy singers sound different from girls and it is perfectly reasonable when selecting a choir to want the 'boy' sound. It is, nevertheless, sexist to exclude a girl who sounds like a boy, but that is what most choirs do.
TMT - relax. It doesn't matter whether you are or aren't. If you say you are not, then that closes it. I am sure it's not meant as an insult, DawnJay was a decent poster on 606 if I remember correctly, so it is probably a compliment.
