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Kenny said "We Want The Best"... Well The Best are in Spain...FACKT!!!

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by DayDoDoeDontDayDoe, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

    DayDoDoeDontDayDoe Well-Known Member

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    I remember Kenny saying at the end of season,or just before the end, that if we sign players, they need to better than the ones we have already got,and we need to sign the BEST available

    Well heres the facts
    1.Spain win Euro 2010
    2. Spain win World Cup
    3. Barcelona win CL 2011,3rd time in 5 years, with a lot of people saying they are the best football team ever, never mind club side ever.
    4. The best team we have had in the last 20 years was the one which got 86 points in 2009,a points total which would win the League 90% of the time, we had 5 Spanish Squad players that season

    More Facts
    1. Brits/English what did they do in World Cup 2012, either didnt qualify or knocked out in Last 16
    2. What did they do in the recent euro U21s.....more mediocrity
    3.The reason we do well in the CL,is cos the 2/3rd of the PL players are foreign,and some of the best ones.

    Comparing British footballers with Spanish ones is like comparin Mickey Rooney with Wayne Rooney.Spain and Spanish footballers are THE most dominant I have EVER seen in all my years watchin football, and Im in my late 30's.If they'd have been allowed to play there 2nd XI in the world cup, I reckon they would have played there first XI in the final.

    We could get Mata ( I think he's a priority anyway), we could get Cazorla too if we tried for the other wing.Those 2 players are LIGHT Years better than the likes of Downing and Young.

    Raul Albiol,only 25,strugglin to make the Real Madrid first XI,cos of the quality they have in that position,possibly better than ANY British CB,and certainly better than anythin if you take away Terry and Ferdinand, who we could never buy anyway.If we tried to get him he would probably be available.

    I'll be honest, I dont wanna see Charlie Adam anywhere near Anfield, he just aint good enough.Amazingly there are LFC fans who want him to sign,have they ever watched a football match outside the PL.Charlie Adam playin in La Liga, would be valued at about £1m.Stewart Downing I could just about accept but only if I knew we had tried to get the likes of Mata and Cazorla first

    IF YOU WANT THE BEST, ITS SPANISH,and certainly not British.
     
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  2. White Hot Lane

    White Hot Lane New Member

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    So, why did you sell Torres and buy Carroll and Henderson?

    Not very good, are you?
     
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  3. Bozz

    Bozz Well-Known Member

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    to be fair, it wasn't him personally. while we're on the subject of Carroll/Torres, you do realise that Carrols goal/games ratio is better then Torres was at his age and you do realise that Carroll scored mroe goals then Torres last season even though he missed a vast portion of the season injured - ALSO you do realise that Carroll scored more goals then Torres between the period of Jan-May even though he played less then half the amount of games

    Just saying...
     
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  4. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    We may buy a Spanish player when the transfer window opens. Still a lot of talk about Mata.
     
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  5. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Let's have a little reality here. Not all of the best players in the world either come from or play in Spain. There are many many footballers around the world who surpass the Spanish players. You just have to ask yourself where would Barcelona be without Messi - and where does he come from?

    You then have to more clearly define what you mean by 'best'. In every postion you may not need the very best player in the world but the one who fits best into the team that you have and the style of play that you want to employ.
     
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  6. saintanton

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    Just because Spanish teams are dominant doesn't mean all their players are better. I think it's just all coming together for them at the moment. Tbh I didn't enjoy watching them in the World Cup.
     
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  7. Muppetfinder General

    Muppetfinder General Well-Known Member

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    Comparing international football to league football is like comparing Strictly Come Dancing to the Royal Ballet.

    Spain have finally managed to win the World Cup, after having several lineups which should've but didn't.

    Total football and silky skills still haven't given the Dutch a World Cup.

    How did you differentiate between the effect of having young Catalan players and the effect of having young players playing together for several years, whatever their nationality? Hiddink got South Korea to a World Cup semi with a club approach, keeping the players together far more than any other international manager ever has the luxury of.

    Atletico and Valencia may produce a star or two but there's a big dropoff as you go down La Liga.

    As much as Mata is clearly a player for the future there's no guarantee he'll shine immediately. It took Ronaldo two seasons.

    Who's going to tell Kenny his scouting skills are rubbish and he should stop being so determined to get Downing? Because either Kenny's wrong or those who don't want Downing are. I know who my money's on.
     
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  8. Joesimpo90

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    Lets just remember how good Nunez and josemi were ok?
     
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  9. KingPepeReina.

    KingPepeReina. Active Member

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    Good point.For every Xavi and Iniesta there is a Josemi and Nunez,for every David Villa there is a Jose Antonio Reyes.
     
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  10. Salah's-left-foot

    Salah's-left-foot Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone can deny Spain have produced some amazing talents. Thing is, King Kenny wants a team for the future, produced by British academies to raise our profile around England. Think about it.

    Signing young english talent means more younger english talent will want to join. They will all try to join Liverpool's academy, then what? Well, we pick out the best youngsters and develop them, and if you think about it, if most youngsters think they have a good chance, they will join Liverpool's academy meaning we should, in theory, have some of the best english players at Liverpool.

    This isn't about England's national football team, this is about the future. You mention Barcelona but you don't realise that is what they are doing. Young spanish players for a spanish club. If we bought all spanish players, we would have to keep buying, instead of looking to our academy.

    If you like to think of it, we are trying to create a team which is similiar to Spain where Barcelona produce the best spanish talent. Thats why the players play with passion, its their home country, the best team in the home country, and they feel honoured to play for them.

    Ironically, this philosophy was introduced by Spain's very own...

    Rafael Benitez

    FACT!
     
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  11. KingPepeReina.

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    Liverpools youngsters are being taught by the best whether they are English or Portugese,Spanish or whatever.They are taught by ex Barcelona coaches.Now Jordan Henderson at an early age hadn't got this privilege,as he was taught by an imbecile in Steve Bruce..Lets see how he progresses when he's coached by top class coaches.
     
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  12. Sweet Fantastic

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    Get Benitez in as Director of Football...................then you'll know who not to buy...........!!!:)
     
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  13. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    Man Utd have all those Spaniards in their team, that must be the secret to their success.
     
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  14. White Hot Lane

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    I think the general rule of thumb is this. If you are a very good Spanish footballer you ply your trade either in Spain (at Barcelona or Real Madrid) or in Italy (at AC Milan). If you are not very good, you go to England <ok>
     
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  15. KingPepeReina.

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    If you are a talentless journeyman with very few miles left in the tank,you join Spurs.
     
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  16. White Hot Lane

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    Yes, that's why we have the likes of Modric, VDV, Lennon, Dawson and Bale. All over the hill and completely talentless.
    <doh>


    Please try to think about what you're writing before you hit the "post" button.
     
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  17. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    How many Spaniards have played or play for AC Milan or even in Italy?
     
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  18. BringBackfootie

    BringBackfootie New Member

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    Barca and Spain are so successful because of their core of Xavi and Inestia. Everyone else is interchangeable. it helps that they have other team mates in the spain squad but do not underestimate their influence.

    Those two provide a centre of gravity that the ball always gets drawn to or won back in, it's also th emain distribution source and they are the main ball retainers, in a tight spot get it to one of those two and they'll shunt it on out of danger. Always on their toes never on their heels, always anticipating a pass (demonstrated perfectly in the CL final)
    Any team that has beaten this Barca side has made life hard for those two and had some luck because they are by a good distance the best two players at what they do, keeping the ball!! That#s how it all works, they keep the ball and prevent the opponent creating any momentum ended up with scraps of posession which prevents any flow to their game, leaving it down to individual skill to try get a goal against them


    oh and doesn't Busquets look very good in a team that plays posession football, no wonder he didn't stay in the prem long!


    P.S. I think that any of the trop 6 teams in the prem last season, if they had those two added to their squads would have won the league, I thnk they are that good at keeping the ball flowing around.
     
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  19. Muppetfinder General

    Muppetfinder General Well-Known Member

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    Spain World Cup 2010 Squad

    Iker Casillas - Real Madrid
    David De Gea - Atletico Madrid
    Diego Lopez - Villarreal
    Pepe Reina - Liverpool
    Víctor Valdes - Barcelona
    Raul Albiol - Real Madrid
    Alvaro Arbeloa - Real Madrid
    Cesar Azpilicueta - Osasuna (went to Marseille)
    Joan Capdevila - Villarreal
    Carlos Marchena - Valencia
    Gerard Pique - Barcelona
    Carles Puyol - Barcelona
    Sergio Ramos - Real Madrid
    Xabi Alonso - Real Madrid
    Sergio Busquets - Barcelona
    Cesc Fabregas - Arsenal
    Andres Iniesta - Barcelona
    Javi Martinez - Athletic Bilbao
    Marcos Senna - Villarreal
    David Silva - Valencia
    Xavi - Barcelona
    Santi Cazorla - Villarreal
    Jesus Navas - Sevilla
    Juan Mata - Valencia
    Pedro - Barcelona
    Daniel Guiza - Fenerbahce
    Fernando Llorente - Athletic Bilbao
    Alvaro Negredo - Sevilla
    Fernando Torres - Liverpool
    David Villa - Valencia


    Those in blue went to, currently are or will be in England. Not one of this squad are currently going to or ever played in Italy.

    As a general rule of thumb, if you don't do the research you end up looking a sillybilly.
     
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  20. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Guiza, Negredo, Senna, De Gea, Cazorla, Negredo, the Marseille Right Back and Diego Lopez went to the World Cup did they?
     
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