I wouldn't vote UKIP because they're a party that thrive on divisiveness and fear, scaremongering and blaming the 'other' for all of Britain's ills. That is no way to do politics in this country or any other country and that is not what government should be about. There was another party who thrived on the same principles: The National Socialist German Workers Party. And that's not taking into account the high number of lunatics that seem to be candidates.
your right Pompey but they say what people want to hear and there are many lunatic voters out there who agree with them sadly...
Why did you lie about studying politics. You can't even explain a simple point you made on a footie forum. Ignoramus.
terrertwit I'm not going to play your childish games ok son. now either join the debate or **** off either way i don't mind..
It's you who makes a statement and then won't debate it so you can either **** up or **** off....up to you son
Explain what Trundles post had to do with UK foreign policy. Not hard for somebody who has "studied politics" and made the original point surely. Why won't you? Is it because you can't? In which case you must have been lying about "studying politics". It's called debate.
Don't all parties go around blaming each other, like the Tories blaming labour for this that and the other, Labour blaming the Tories for this that and the other, so what really is the difference? So what way should politics be run in this country, cos that is all they bloody do. Blame each other. Its how they get votes, by trying to better each other, take the leaflets that come through your door, they all promise this that and the other, saying teh other parties are not offering the same, its about getting ahead, and they do that with the blame game. So its not just UKIP. Its the whole thing. For me UKIP are the only party willing to voice their concerns, not afraid to upset the few who don't like confrontation. Are they ideal? of course not, none of the parties are, but they for me get my vote because they are not afraid to say something. And that's something I appreciate, UKIP are not hiding away from the problems, they are bringing them to the forefront, and the only way to tackle a problem, is to accept there is a problem in the first place, and you can only do that by getting people to take notice. Is it scaremongering, yes, it is, but how can you get people to take notice without having a bit of scaremongering going on? Most people, are more than happy to plod along in their own little lives to take notice, so maybe a little scaremongering is exactly what is needed to get people to open their eyes, its clearly working, as more and more are starting to take notice, hell even the Tories are offering a referendum now. If people wish to bury their heads in the sand in regards to the direction the EU seems to be heading, and where its taking our country in the process, then so be it, but I like UKIP for not sticking their head in the sand, and having the balls to be upfront about it.
The main stream parties are opposite cheeks of the same backside, complete wast of space, how anyone with an ounce of intelligence sticks a vote in for these two is beyond belief, has not enough time gone by for you sheep to work out the will of these two parasites? Comedy gold.........................
Yes, politics in general are a load of rubbish and all parties are pretty terrible and basically the same. In terms of blaming the 'other', I mean blaming immigrants or the EU for absolutely everything. Furthermore, UKIP's whole policy towards the EU is one out outright confrontation, aggression and isolationism rather than engaging in a healthy and open debate about the future of the EU. If you don't like something and if you think something has flaws, would you try and work with others to change it for the better or would you throw your toys out the pram and act like the political version of a petulant child and walk off in a strop? We live in a globalised interconnected world so it's naive at best and dangerous at worst to pursue such an isolationist, nationalist agenda.
They don't blame the EU for everything, but as its the European elections coming up, the EU is a primary part of their opinions right now to gain votes. You mention healthy debate, that would be a democracy, something the EU is far from, which is why UKIP want out, and I fully support that stance, as the EU is no democracy. Can you see the EU giving up the stranglehold they have on its member states? Cos I certainly cannot. From what I can gather, the EU has no interest in stopping all these legislations and how we can control our own borders, as it goes against the policies that the EU want in place, such as free movement between countries part of the EU, can you see them budging on that? If someone moves next door to you, tells you that all the houses in the street will now be one group, starts charging you £55 per day to be a part of that group, he then starts telling you that all neighbours can sleep in your house, eat in your house when they want and vice versa (free movement) and won't budge on the stance, because it doesn't fall within his overall ideals, would you stick around? Or would you politely tell him to **** off. Because the latter is what I would do. Its the same principle as the EU free movement policy, its just on a much larger scale. When it comes to UKIP's EU policy, they do bring the case of immigrants (due to no control over our own borders) but, they don't blame immigrants, or have you not noticed them say they want equal rights for all immigrants, whether from Europe, New Zealand, India and the like, they are not saying they don't want immigrants, they are saying that they want control on who comes here, like other countries such as New Zealand, Australia, and Canada do, rather than the current open borders we have with the EU, which I fully support. Our current set up discriminates everyone outside Europe. You say its a globalised, interconnected world, I am unemployed due to poor health, do you think I would be entitled to emigrate to New Zealand, Australia, Canada, America? I don't think so, those countries mentioned are all isolated, and doing just fine. The big difference is, they control they own borders, we don't. Its a myth that we would be worse off.
Pompey, you equate wanting to leave the EU and take control of our immigration policy with nazi germany? dear me. i know he's not comparing them directly but if we've come to the stage where a party starts talking about stemming the flow of labour which we have no control of, as being facist, then as a society we really have failed people like this. the UK should be run for the benefit of the people, and complete freedom of movement from europe only benefits the businesses who can get away with treating UK workers like crap, oh, yes it leads to lower prices, but that doesn't help you if you've lost your job due to undercutting. people should only be allowed into a country if they make a net contribution to the country. if you're on minimum wage or anything below say £15k, you contribute nothing as due to tax credits, child benefit etc, you have to earn a pretty decent amount to be a net contributor the public purse. i don't care who applies the above policy, whether its labour, tory or whoever, just get on with it, thats my view.
That's exactly how I understand thier position on border control and immigration too, must admit I hope they take a shed load of seats from Labour and Tory parasites, neither party have served the working class people of this country for over 30 years, both are in the pocket of big business..............
if the MEPs get their way, the MEPs themselves will be the ones that vote in the next president of the EU, thats no different to MPs picking who runs the country. completely undemocratic and given how much being in the EU influences everyone in the UK, its a scandal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-eu-27322896
if you think the UK can negotiate a special arrangement that addresses the average UK citizens concerns about EU membership, you are at best naive, and at worse, completely ignorant as to how the EU works. its the equivalent of an MP for some remote region in wales marching into the houses of parliament and demanding tax decreases across the board, it aint gonna happen. realistically its either stay in it as it is and go with the flow, or withdraw. simple as that, the EU have said countless times they will not grant the UK any concessions.
Well, http://www.spiked-online.com/newsit...esperately-seeking-fascism/14985#.U27wnvldU2H http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/10/UKIP-social-media-trounces-other-parties Political earthquake incoming. Good! UKIP will have my vote.
