Can see this thread going the same way as that classic one of people should be scared... Love a good jinx.
Yeah, course he's been injured. For fully two thirds of the season, course he has. Now miraculously fit in time for the world cup, bravo Robin.
Hes been back in the squad for a while and come off the bench a few times. Maybe he recovered from his injury? I know you are suggesting he refused to play under moyrs but I fail to see how you get to that conclusion. Maybe moyes keeping him on v Newcastle and causing him more harm is the reason hes missed so much. No idea why you would want him sold though. Van gaal wont be selling him though thats for certain.
I think its pretty obvious how I reach that conclusion. Not so much refusing to play as dragging out his injuries. Same difference though I suppose. I don't put footballers on a pedestal. Van Persie earns in a week roughly five times my annual salary playing for a football club I've supported since I was five. He hasn't earned it and is not worth it. Him, along with other senior players who effectively downed tools for Moyes like Ferdinand, Carrick and Nani, are equally culpable in this mess as Moyes himself.
I don't buy that Van Percy has faked his injuries, the guy is just injury prone, look at his career with Arsenal if you need proof of that. We got fortunate with him last season, that he steered clear of injury. As for him not playing for Moyes, yes he was abit naughty with a few comments to Dutch media, but he still scored most games when he played, so I don't buy that he wasn't playing for him either. You also have to look at things from RVPs point of view, he had his own training routine under SAF, because of his history with injuries, and Moyes came in and changed that, which I think was wrong of Moyes to do, and could have been part of the reason why he's had so many injuries this season. So you can hardly blame RVP for disliking Moyes
RvP had a separate fitness regime in his final season at Arsenal and at his first with United. Moyes took him off that. hence the injuries. Hence his dislike of Moyes and his feelings that moyes was a poor manager and coach.
This. I remember how we all used to laugh at the Liverpool and Chelsea players obviously undermining certain managers, doing their best to get them sacked, and putting themselves ahead of our club. How unprofessional they were and what a joke some of them made out of the club. It was a pretty bitter day when we realised most of our players were no different.
The only pedestal I can see is the one which puts our players and the club above everyone else and expects them to work for an awful manager regardless. The same manager who publicly slagged off the players and the man who got him the job in the first place and blamed everyone but himself. I see it three ways. 1. The players continued to follow Moyes instruction as they had been doing all season, we continue to slump and our appeal is destroyed by a man so out of his depth it was ****ing offensive 2. The players ignore Moyes completely and carry the useless chap for his entire 6 years. He gets paid for nothing at all. 3. The players rightfully voice their concerns in the media as the club at the time clearly didnt care and were more interested in the 'United way' or some bullshit like that. This went unnoticed for a while until one by one, every single living person could see what was right in front of them. Its nothing to do with not liking Moyes They probably hated Fergie. They wont like van Gaal either. They will respect van Gaal though just as they respect Fergie. Moyes didnt respect the players so in turn he lost their respect. Its all down to him being incompetent. Bad management breeds bad performance. Regardless of the industry or the pay packet. Many would sit back and ignore it. Most people lack the guts to stand up against something anyway. Our players didnt. You can let Moyes horrible tenure cloud your judgement of a club you have supported all your lives or you can forget about him, accept our players are no different and look forward.
Are you really comfortable supporting a club where players do that? A club that has always prided itself in keeping **** out of the press and sorting stuff out behind closed doors - something that Fergie felt strongly about. There are two players (Carrick and Evra) more than any other that showed a lack of commitment and desire and at times could not give a ****. I'm sorry but that is unforgivable. You can't excuse that at all. They are senior members of the team for crying out loud. How can anyone square the fact that our less seasoned players Rafael, Jones, Januzaj are giving 100% and yet two of our most senior players are on the same pitch not giving a ****. Even if the "Moyes is ****" argument is true, were those 3 somehow happy to be playing under Moyes? Or could it be they have a bit of passion for the club? Carrick and Evra have been shameful. Both are finished at top level anyway but that's no excuse for their piss poor attitude on the pitch. Young has been just as **** but nobody can deny his effort when he plays. I saw Carrick the other day and he was fcking awful, sideway pass maestro, he can't pick a penetrating through ball if it was lit up like a runway. Laying all the blame for everything bad that happened, simply on Moyes is getting far fetched tbh and a little frustrating.
It's complete and utter nonsense. Weird even. The players are employed by United to do their JOB. For this they get paid a massive amount. The don't do it for free. They don't do it for love. They do it for the hundred grand a week. That is the only point of any importance at all. In any other walk of life or profession you get sacked for not doing your job, just like Moyes was.
Unless they were being asked to clean the latrines, there's nothing for them to be upset about. You're playing for arguably the biggest club in the world, in front of 76,000 fans (who were supporting the team through thick and mostly thin this season) and you're getting paid handsomely to do it. I don't always like my job or my boss, but you have to look at the bigger picture - responsibility, commitments and so on...or you leave.
