if people want out of europe its either them or rely on a 'promise' that the tories will deliver a referendum. problem you have is that businesses have a huge interest in staying due to the benefits it gives them in being able to treat employees like crap and keep wages minimal knowing there's always someone from europe who will be happy to take the job. if i did vote for them it would be a protest vote, but realistically they will never achieve anything other than waking the main parties up to the fact that a debate over the merits and demerits of europe must be discussed, especially as its fundamentally changed since the early 2000's.
Do you have the figures as to what is coming in then. Can you also explain why it is highly unlikely we would be better off? Just curious mate as I dont know. Just one question to people, Do you think it is right that our laws can be overuled by Europe. Yes we have MEPs voted for by us, but terribly outnumbered by other countries members surely.
its an estimated 1,000,000 poles in the UK, but the truth is, like all immigration under labour, and now the coalition, we have no idea, partly because the aren't counted in and counted out, and partly because of the number of illegal immigrants, well we'll never know how many of those there are. you lack basic understanding of how laws are passed, take a minute and educate yourself here: http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/parliamentacts/ i along with many, believe in democracy, its been many decades since the people had the vote on what was a very different european union, its changed immesurably now that poorer countries have joined, and will continue to join if the juggernaut keeps marching on with the likes of blair lobbying for Albania. 'would ordinary working people be better off?' if an employer doesn't have unlimited access to fill vacant roles to europe, then guess what, wages go up. under the current arrangement wages are depressed due to pretty much unlimited supply of labour. ordinary workers would benefit hugely from freedom of movement across boarders without visas being restricted, its the likes of amazon, tesco etc who have the most to fear. they wouldn't be able to get away with treating domestic workers like crap, with zero hour contracts, confident in the knowledge that they would easily be able to fill the roles with migrants from europe.
can't disagree with any of this from Valley, UKIP are a nasty bunch of racist xenophobes. It's little wonder that Farage is the only real visible presence as when the rabble do get to speak, then the mask begins to slip. Recently UKIP candidate Geoffrey Clarke suggested that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability, nice! a better protest vote, would be to not vote at all.
UKIP - no thanks. They'll probably get a lot of votes in the Euro election, but that's when it'll start to go pear-shaped for them. They get into extremely hot water whenever anyone other than Farage opens his mouth. Once they have more people getting on the airwaves it'll be all-too-obvious that they are for the politics of hatred and fear. It's a democracy so they're entitled to say what they like. We need politicians on the other sides to stand firm and not get sucked into a race to the bottom. EDIT: I posted my reply at the same time as the previous one. I agree absolutely!
"Britain is on track to overtake France and Germany to become the biggest economy in Europe, according to an authoritative global forecast. A rapidly growing population, relatively low taxes and independence from the ailing Eurozone will make Britain the most successful economy in the West after the United States over the next fifteen years, according to the Centre for Economic and Business Research. " This is why I don't want to join. Does anybody think we will be allowed to overtake Germany and France with them in charge of our finances.
And LibLabCom are a bunch of *****'s right? "Apologists for *****philes: How Labour Deputy Harriet Harman, her shadow minister husband and former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt were all linked to a group lobbying for the right to have sex with children" Of course not, because the views of the few do not represent the many. I have a friend in England who is running for UKIP, and he is far from racist. Your just an ignorant moron. Anyhow, be nice to hear you explain why UKIP are racists, and not just because of the views of some of the individual members. Which all parties have.
Out of curiosity does that make me a racist for wanting to vote for them and agreeing with their policies.
We cannot vote for Labour, because they are peado's. We cannot vote for the Conservatives because they are *****'s We cannot vote for UKIP cos they are racists. What about the Lib's? They wanted murderers, rapist and *****philes to be given the vote, so lets not bother with them. So lets all be mindless idiots and brandish everyone who is interested in a certain party, by the actions of a few.
its racist and selfish to have an immigration policy which only allows people in to the country if they fill a role that a UK worker can't fill, according to many people in this country, a myth which the likes of LIB LAB CON happily exploit in order to keep people from airing their views… you need to keep up, this is 2014 and anything other than an open door immigration policy is racist.
What are they're general policies Trunds? Other than Europe I've never come across their policies. Their recent manifesto was only 4 pages long.
TLF i don;t know you personally so i have no opinion of whether you are racist. i try to see the best in people - despite my dislike of the UKIP i might add, so i'll believe you're not. Swansalona you're a moderator so calling me an ignorant moron seems to be at odds with posting courtesy. as for why i think the UKIP are racist, well it's an opinion, it's based on news reports and articles i've read. As an immigrant myself i like to think that if people are entitled to live and work in a country then they be treated the same as those that are born there. it's an opinion which i'm entitled to, you don;t have to agree with it and you certainly don;t have to abuse me as such.
Mate I will vote in the europeans as a protest. In the general election I dont know who i would vote for. Probably the party that offers me a referendum on being in the EU. I will be honest and say I am anti EU. I believe that the old idea of the common market and free trade between European countries is as far as we should have gone. If that makes me a racist then so be it.
"Your just an ignorant moron". Swanselona,as a mod you should be more controlled with your postings. Why was it necessary to use the word "moron"? I thought we were trying to get away from gratuitous insults.
Cheers Trunds, I too am anti EU, but have decided to not vote this time around rather than using UKIP as a protest vote.
You have just called countless people racists because they are members of UKIP, you haven't singled out the individuals, but labelled the party racist. You then take umbrage to someone calling you an ignorant moron. Interesting. UKIP do not want to stop all immigrants, but they want it to be like other countries, a points based system, not open borders like the EU are making us have. That's not racism, if it was racist they would close the borders completely. But mindless idiots will keep jumping on the bandwagon. I have no problem having to go through a points based scheme if I wanted to emigrate to New Zealand (was what I had planned, but now seems unlikely) and I would be more than happy for it to be the case here too. Not open borders.
What like calling all of UKIP racist, as Honky did, I have friends in UKIP and they are far from bloody racist, so if someone has the nerve to insult others, he needs to be man enough to take it back. If my mod status means I cannot do that, then I will put in my resignation. Doesn't bother me. I would however not go out of my way to insult Honky had he not been insulting himself. There is a difference. Is this better. Anyone who thinks that UKIP are all a nasty bunch of racist xenophobes are a bunch of ignorant morons. There, that better. Less personal.
