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OT War in Ukraine

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    DR, have to post this not Ukraine but, goes to show what some of us are willing to do. Makes my donations look pathetic in comparison.

    People like this lad are worth remembering
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    The **** has hit the fan in several EU countries and there is no media coverage. Yet the coverage of Crimea's referendum has saturated the public consciousness. .
    Nothing on the protests that have much larger numbers of protestors than Maidan in Ukraine, in Spain Greece Italy, of course these are all IMF owned pro EU nations.
     
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    The real power in the EU decision making process. European round table of industrialists.
    This is their website. Shell, Nestle and so on, all the lovely corps we all know and love, running governments in countries through the European Union.
    http://www.ert.eu/

    it's almost like Britain's creation of Nigeria, force a lot of tribes together, corrupt their leaders so they keep the tribes in check, create one state. it's pretty much the same process with the EU, all the benefits for corporate and industry. No benefits of the union for normal hard working people.

    Good documentary of the reality of the EU
    [video=youtube;0Kngj1K2a_c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0Kngj1K2a_c[/video]
     
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    Here's ‘Syria Danny’ is a 22-year-old British citizen of Syrian descent from Cambridge. After returning from Homs in summer last year, he lived in London for a few months before returning to Syria in December, from which point onwards he became the poster child for a western military intervention in Syria, begging almost daily on CNN for the United States or even Israel to bombard the country. Well he's been sussed out, footage of his side of the CNN calls, FAKE.
    Watch this awful fake, CNN Propaganda fail
    You get to see what really happened at his location before and alongside the CNN broadcast.

    [video=youtube;p-DCZxsrt9I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p-DCZxsrt9I[/video]

    Staged attack on oil refinery, camera placed to record hours before, guys leave to start fires and come back to reposition camera, media broadcast it as Assad forces attacking civilian areas.<doh>
    [video=youtube;Nj63YfmRy-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj63YfmRy-4&feature=player_embedded[/video]

    Can't ****ing believe ANYTHING you see on the BBC or CNN about Syria or Ukraine.
     
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    Noam Chomsky on why every post WWII war US president should have been hanged.

    [video=youtube;TjWQtzB9jE8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TjWQtzB9jE8[/video]
     
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    BBC Headline Ukrainian military vehicles 'seized'

    Actual footage of this "seizure". Ukrainian military switching sides after being ordered to attack, as you can see, civilians, not militants.
    [video=youtube;WRMnItGhhi8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WRMnItGhhi8[/video]
     
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    Eastern Ukraine. Fighters tanks soldiers ect, this is what the Kiev government are sending in against the people. Some shot already. So much for Russian troops shooting civilians, Kiev are ordering the Ukrainian military to do exactly that if they have to.
    What would the media have made if Maidan had to face similar force during their violent protests in the capital, these protests are in people's own regions, not an attempt to take over the country.

    These are not Russian forces, they are Ukrainian civilian militias and some anti maidan groups. Just like Maidan have armed nationalists squads that are anti anything not that's Ukrainian.

    The US have really ****ed that country up with their regime change. Yet another civil war fermented by the biggest 'democracy' on earth
     
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    Hey Sisu, you do realise that today Putin said you were wrong! :)

    He admitted this morning in a PR stunt in Russia that Russian troops were involved in retaking Crimea and in providing order so that people could vote for independence.

    He then went on to say "oh, but we're not involved in Eastern Ukraine" lol. Yeah right Pooty, that's what you said about Crimea whilst you were invading it.

    How have the US caused regime change in Ukraine? That was nothing to do with the US.
     
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    **** Russia, **** the us and EU tbh. The troops were already there btw numpty:D It was no secret they were there to prevent the nationalist militias of taking control of Crimea BY FORCE, Crimea didn't accept the Maidan as their government, and rightly so.

    Now though you have army going against civilians now lad. There is a lot of footage coming out cos everyone's got a camera . You were all screaming about this scenario in Crimea, now it's happening to anti maidan protestors in Eastern Ukriane it's all OK? Lets talk about Russia?

    You can't be deploying the army against a civilian population. WTF like, isn't that why Gaddafi and Saddam were so bad supposedly and were eliminated?
     
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    You've been saying all along they stayed on the base and Russian troops played no part, it was all native Crimean.

    It appears, just like the West has been claiming all along- Russians WERE involved. I'm sure when [if] the rest of Ukraine is secured, Putin will admit to involvement there so that he gets the kudos at home.
     
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    Seems now the Ukraine "government" are not facing widespread condemnation for killing Ukrainian civilians. That's what's happening now.

    it's ok to kill them as long as you label them anything but Ukrainians. "Pro Russians" "Russian Separatists" "Pro Russia Militants" can be killed and it's all AOK.

    Meanwhile Maidan government is taking a slice of Eastern Ukraine's miner's salary to pay for the damage to Kiev that Maidan caused.

    Exported democracy is great ain't it. <doh>
     
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    More propaganda

    US state department recently provided evidence given to them by Kiev of Russian troops in Eastern Ukraine, a photo taken in Russia apparently had individuals identified in footage of men in combat gear in Eastern Ukraine. The media ran with this, little green men :D Proof of Russian involvement. The US state department also ran with this.

    But..

    Freelance photographer Maxim Dondyuk took the photo.

    &#8220;It was taken in Slavyansk [Ukraine],&#8221; he told NYT over the phone. &#8220;Nobody asked my permission to use it.&#8221;


    I am not categorically stating there are no Russians in eastern Ukraine, just pointing out that at this stage you can't believe a ****ing word out of anyone's mouth any more<doh> On either side.


    Kiev has no money they have the Ukrainian "army" which is a national guard made up of maidan "patriots" and they can't even ****ing feed them. These units are attacking checkpoints in Eastern Ukraine and stealing food and medical supplies as well as shooting people.

    ****ing bandit country.

    Well done USAID United States Aid for Iinternational Destabilisation
     
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    The trouble is that neither the U.S. nor Russia give a **** about Ukraine or Crimea, it's all about geo-strategic politics and control of the region. Ukraine and Crimea are like toys, they're proxies for both like in the days of the cold war (like Vietnam, the middle-east, and Afghanistan). There's no right or wrong here. Nobody holds the moral high ground here. Both would happily sacrifice countless men, women and children in the Baltics to gain territorial advantage.

    You do have to wonder what the **** the US expected though, using the Baltics to stick nuclear missiles on Russia's doorstep to begin with. What did they think was going to happen? It's the equivalent to the Cuba Missile Crisis in reverse. I'm almost convinced they did it to call Russia's bluff bcos whatever happened it would be a win/win situation for the U.S. If Russia does nothing, America gains greater control of the region but if Russia reacts then the global U.S. spin machine goes into overdrive as it has. Also consider the fact there was a movement within NATO calling for the removal of nuclear weapons from the Baltics just last year. Meer coincidence then that NATO military exercises and ratcheting up of events within Ukraine could have been designed precisely for Russia's reaction in order to scupper any notion of reducing US nuclear military presence in the region.
     
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    Its all just a big game of risk, everyone knows that you cant secure that area until you take kamchatka.
     
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    <laugh> Havn't played that for years.A bunch of us would get together and sometimes take days to finish.Good times.
     
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    I always preferred Risk


    Saw on the news earlier that a group had took the polices equipment, shields and everything! And then spat on them! <yikes> I was half asleep though so what was going on there?
     
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    same ****, ordinary people in the middle get gaped.

    Russia, EU, US makes no difference. Though i did notice that ever since Russia came out smelling like roses over Syria, the Russia bashing started en masse, right through Sochi and on to Ukraine. Right or wrong that's how it panned out.

    When you see the BBC become literally a mouthpiece for the Kiev coup government it makes you wonder how the **** the BBC get away with it. CNN have been caught faking several pieces of news and stories. Information is just regurgitated from Kiev even though they have proven themselves to be lying sacks of **** in the Kiev coup government.
    Now they are going to draft 18 year old kids to fight for oligarch interests and that of the EU and US.

    If so many people were against the government in Ukraine, they voted them in, so they could vote them out.

    Funny every time the nationalists get ousted from government in Ukraine they have a ****ing revolution.

    I have yet to read one BBC report that calls eastern Ukrainians 'Ukrainians'. Rebels militants terrorists, separatists. Never calls them Ukrainians.
     
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    Yeah,terminology is all important in their games............muslim extremists etc.etc.
     
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    For me, thing is, elected government faced protests and got forced out, EU and US said this was good.
    Now Eastern Ukrainians have seized buildings and put up barricades, EU and US say this is bad, they are terrorists and Russian soldiers.

    it doesn't take a genius to see that the US regime change was screwed up somewhat by the actions of the EU. The EU in trying to force apart Russia and Ukraine economically was the catalyst for the power grab's kick off, the grab was always coming, that's where Maidan came in, the legitimate side of it, which the nationalists and loonies provided the force, the flash mobs battle groups and yes the snipers.

    Twice the Kiev coup government has given the US and EU "proof" of Russian involvement, IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, there is not one shred of proof provided by ANYONE of anything Russia is accused of. A video, and photographs supposedly identifying Russian troops in Ukraine have since proven to be bollocks. Now Kerry says he has "evidence" again, just like the Syria evidence? There is always this evidence we never get to see and after the deeds are done the evidence that didn't exist didn't seem to matter after all.
     
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