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Tactically, how do you beat anti-football?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by jaffaSlot, Apr 28, 2014.

  1. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    tbh if Sahko had not skied from 4 yards we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    Chelsea p[layed it tight but the chances still came. You have to be ruthless in a game like that, Bayern weren't barca weren't and they lost, they had enough chances but didn't take them.

    People only remember park the bus games when the anti football gets a result be it draw or win, more often than not anti football doesn't win and no one remembers it then

    Jose is doing nothing that all italian teams didn't do in the past, they were renowned for getting a 1 0 and defending brilliantly, this is nothing new.
     
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  2. kph103

    kph103 Well-Known Member

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    Didn't we do the double this season over stoke and west ham? So no issue there.also they did actually attack us.

    The chavs, well they play in the same style but have much better players ( builders) to put up that defensive wall. You beat it by taking the chances on offer and obviously we didn't do that. Athletico couldn't do it either but their defence is much better than ours at the moment. However, you can't really blame the defence as the first was an error and the second goal all our defenders had been subbed.
     
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  3. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Gary Neville did a bit before the Arsenal game today on what Liverpool did/didn't do.

    What we did, was shoot from long range and put in crosses for no reason other than panic. We're no good at scoring from crosses unless it's set pieces and even less likely to core when it' 1 forward in he box with 5 Chelea players round them.

    What Neville was saying is that you need to move the ball wide of the 3 central midfielder quickly and then slid that ball into Suarez who should be pulling into a space to make a 1v1 situation.

    Chelsea defended so deep that it should have been easy to get the ball to Suarez in the box. Yes you may have had to play a decent pass to get it through to him, but with his tight control and trickery he only needs to get hold of the ball and the Chelsea players would be scared to touch him once he has the ball there.
     
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  4. Diego

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    To beat a well organised excellent defence like Chelsea`s you need patience and a lot of hard work. The front three has to be constantly moving to keep the central defenders moving (not just a couple of yards but the full width of the area plus dropping back out of the area to act as attacking midfielders bringing defenders out with them), you need two wingers who will hug the touchline to keep the fullbacks out wide, you need two fullbacks who are capable of/willing to overlap the wingers or make runs inside them and finally you need at least one midfielder willing to run into the spaces created by the forwards movement. This only leaves your two centrebacks as defence so in an ideal world they would be quick and hold the line somewhere around the centre circle when you are attacking.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    The one single moment of panic was when sterling got to the byline on the left

    Suarez got there on the right

    In short;

    Team parks the bus.... I'd rather play off good set piece than whack silly shots at goal. Example, get a direct free, get a corner, use height to have a threat just like all those managers named

    The only way to get in behind and be effective for a side like ours is to beat the man on the byline and run into the box..... It get the set piece
     
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  6. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    I still maintain that the best way to overcome a defensive/park the bus/negative strategy is to play a mirror image. By copying their set up and retaining the ball in your half you present them with a problem that they can't cope with strategically or psychologically.

    However you attack a side such as Chelsea you play into their strength. Their players are well drilled and they are good at their jobs and will react to whatever you do. However, when you present them with a non-usual problem they lose their confidence. The vast majority of footballers are not the most intelligent individuals. They will therefore panic. The longer that you do not attack the more likely it is that one or more will break ranks and move out of position to go and seek the ball. As soon as they do that they lose their cohesiveness and create the space for your forwards to move into.

    The question is. Are your team strong enough and well drilled to put the plan into effect and then take advantage of the breakup of the oppositions defence. After all you wouldn't announce such a strategy and the crowd would be on your backs because they would not know what was happening.
     
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  7. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    If you match them like for like you'll get a repeat of the Rafa v Jose bore draws from a few years ago. 4 semi final CL matches and only 1 goal in all 4 games, and that was a dubious one <laugh>
     
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  8. Exactly how all the so called top games ended back then. Always 1-0 or 1-1 and boring as ****, a total anti-climax every time. Well, until we broke the rule beating your boys 4-1 and drawing 4-4 with Chelsea and Arsenal :)
     
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  9. Diego

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    Dave, if a team has really come for a 0-0 draw they would be more than happy for you to do that, they wouldn`t even have to break sweat never mind risk injury by putting their bodies in front of everything you threw at them with last ditch tackles and blocks.
     
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  10. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Oh yes they would. They would not be able to stand against the psychological pressure to go and get the ball.
     
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  11. King Shergar

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    Mourinho had gone though by the time the 4-4 game happened, there is no way one of his sides would ever be involved in a 4-4<laugh>

    The big games back then where mainly pretty boring, and that was down to Mourinho mainly, and Rafa to a degree, though he wasn't quite as bad. Whilst those 2 have been gone the big games have gone goal crazy, though Mourinho's return this season, has already seen two 0-0 draws, and I'm sure there will be plenty more to come next season :biggrin:
     
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    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    If you read what I posted properly then you'd realise that I was not copying either Rafa's or Maureen's tactics. BTW, I wonder why you missed the 3rd semi - goals in both matches! <whistle>
     
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  13. Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, Southampton and even Swansea are all attacking sides so the PL was always going to be better on the eye so to speak. Fergie was always attacking, its the only thing I really appreciated in him. Despite very much disliking the quality side you guys had, I liked the football you guys played when you had C.Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez up front; quality attacking football with freedom to express.
     
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  14. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    Because Mourinho wasnt there, that was Avram Grant who was in charge of Chelsea then. Mourinho v Rafa there was no goal that crossed the line in 4 matches, because both teams where set up with 1 up front, and 2 defensive midfielders, who barely took a step forward. They where incredibly boring affairs :biggrin:
     
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  15. Foredeckdave

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    Wrong again!! The Ref said it was a goal so it was a GOAL. So there's one that we scored. Plus he did say that if it hadn't have GONE IN then he would have sent the goalkeeper off and awarded a penalty.
     
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  16. Diego

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    Nah mate, footballers psycology goes: boss says don`t let them score, footballer thinks, they aren`t going to score fannying about out there, easy day. If you really want to draw them out, give them the ball and get them on the counter (you have to be able to defend to do this though).
     
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  17. Gus Hiddink was in charge for the 4-4. I'm sure that was the third semi :huh:
     
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  18. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    Those days seem along way away now. Next season we should be an attacking team again if we get Van Gaal. His philosophy is to attack:biggrin:
     
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  19. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    No Guus Hiddink was in charge for the Barca game with the dodgy Norwegian ref, when INESTAAAA smashed it in the top corner in the last minute, and sent me into hysterics <laugh>
     
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