Have to say that I like Fat Sam. He does very well for his teams with very limited resources. I don't think Moyes or Martinez does anything particularly outstanding. Everton are a fairly large club with a decent amount of money and a good youth system. They pick up a lot of young players from the Liverpool area. West Ham don't have the same luxury in London where there is a lot more competition for the local young players, who have more choice due to the greater density of population/clubs and the distance based restrictions. I think people put too great a stock in tactical managerial performance over the more strategic part of the job.
How about winning the FA Cup with Wigan? One more trophy then Wenger has managed in the last nine years. Martinez is an outstanding manager and has done outstanding things, make no mistake about that. He showed Wenger up twice this season with his Everton team. Also, to get Everton to adapt so quickly to his methods shows how good the guy is. Under Moyes, they played hoof ball, but Martinez has not only changed the style but he has managed to get great results. He was also the guy that started the footballing revolution at Swansea when he took charge of them in League one. Guy is the real deal and is clearly a better manager than Wenger. Everton might have 'decent amount of money' but their financial fire power is nothing compared to the teams around them. When your compare our wage bill to Everton's, it's ridiculous, yet they are only a point behind us. Either Wenger is under achieving or Martinez is over achieving. But yeah, he does nothing particularly outstanding
Our wage bill reflects our top 4 position, our transfer fee bill reflects how we acquire players. I have discussed this before, but the wage bill is a "trailing indicator", once you have success and CL football is success, then the wage bill rises. If Everton simply doubled the wage bill of all their players it wouldn't mean their players instantly became better or they would stand a better chance of winning the league. Both Arsenal and Everton have spent largely the same on new players. Wenger has been more successful with his young players in the money making and prestigious competitions, so Arsenal pay their players more. Wenger is clearly the more successful manager than Martinez. You are looking at an indicator and getting the cause and the effect mixed up.
Only cause he has been managing for a lot longer. To say, Martinez does nothing particularly outstanding is a ridiculous claim. His work at Swansea alone, was outstanding. Then, he kept an out and out championship team like Wigan in the prem for a few seasons and won an FA Cup. And now he has stepped up another level and continued to show his talents. His ability to implant his style of play into three different teams and to get the results in that process is outstanding work. Many would have given him a season to settle at Everton without much pressure, but he improved them straight away. Got better results than Moyes and has them playing much better football.
Well - different results maybe. He is going to end up in more or less the same place by the looks of things.
One thing I've thought about Martinez is that he does like his teams to play a similar to Liverpool. High tempo, possession football that's easy on the eye and swamps the other team. I can see the likes of Chelsea employing the same tactics they used last night and soaking up all the pressure before hitting on the break. Martinez appears to be a purist as he's had every team he's managed play in the same way. The key to how good he will be is if he can adapt in these circumstances. To me he looks to be a top manager but I think he needs a few more years working at the top level before he be judged fully.
Happy St Totteringham's day everybody. When it comes around next season, it will be the 20th consecutive anniversary of the Spuds finishing below us.
Sad balloon all he can do is delete my posts. Your board has still been ruined by your pathetic moderation, delete or not.
So rumours going around that if De Boer gets the Spurs job, then he's taking DB10 with him. That would be pretty awkward, our best ever player as Spurs assistant manager.
Cant see it TBH, dennis was very loyal to the club and loved the club, just cant see him doing it, unless he does it and relegates the ****s, would make him even more of a legend
Don't think Bergkamp would go to Spurs, he'd probably get the Ajax job to replace De Boer. But what is funny about this is that they are trying to claim that there's been no contact made with Ajax even though Ajax confirmed the approach and De Boer said he 'listen and talk, then make my feelings known' Like a succession of managers before him and in typical spud fashion, Nice but Dim is being engineered out of the club behind his back. I wonder if he'll get a text from Levy at HT against the Hammers to tell him he's being sacked ?
Fat sam has done the treble over the spuds this season. 6 points and a cup win. Between us and west ham, we've handed the spuds 6 straight defeats. Fat Sam > Spuds.
